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Sheiky
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($2.25)
BB ($5.10)
UTG ($5.60)
Hero ($10.80)
CO ($4.10)
Button ($0.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, 9.
UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.2, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10.

Flop: ($1.10) 8, 2, 3 (5 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, SB folds.

Turn: ($1.50) 2 (4 players)
UTG bets $0.2, Hero calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, Button calls $0.20.

River: ($2.30) 9 (4 players)
UTG bets $2.3, Hero folds, CO folds, Button calls $0.30 (All-In).

Final Pot: $2.90

I'm playing on a very limited bankroll and i'm wondering if i'm playing a bit weak tight because of it. I insta folded the river.

Is everything standard here?
Acid_Knight
I don't like the limp preflop. I mean, I don't hate it, but raising is much better there becuase you can isolate the one player and hopefully buy the button.

On the flop, I raise that 100% of the time. It's a retarded bet to make and if nothing else, I wanna find out if the players behind me have a hand or not, especially the preflop raiser. If you raise it here, even to $.70, which is still a small raise, it puts pressure on the players behind you to have a real hand.

I call that river bet. Does UTG really have a bigger pair and play it this way? Seems kind of unlikely. He could have a set I guess, but his line just doesn't make sense for a lot of hands and I probably call as a default.

Please raise somewhere next time.
Sheiky
Not sure if this is correct reasoning, but the reason i didn't raise was because i raised PF the last two hands and didn't want to get played back at or anything. I also didn't realise we were playing 6-handed as this was a full ring game which i rightly or wrongly limp more often in.
Zach6668
I can't decide which hand is worse. This one, or the AJ hand.
LJB723
UTG's flop and turn bets are hideous, they deserved to be raised if only out of sheer annoyance!

River is confusing why he wakes up with a pot-sized bet after the other 2 shockers. I call because his line does not look an overpair and he could very well be trying to take advantage of your passive play.

As Acid_Knight said, throw a raise in there somewhere, please.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 9:28 AM) *
I can't decide which hand is worse. This one, or the AJ hand.

AJo AINEC
NoBBiR
I don't think you should be calling the turn if you're not planning on calling the river when you spike a nine. Otherwise you're basically just calling to catch an 8 and hope for a split with someone else.
Sheiky
I was planning on calling a river bet that wasn't 23 times bigger than his previous ones.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 10:34 AM) *
I was planning on calling a river bet that wasn't 23 times bigger than his previous ones.

It's a pot sized bet.

You let him have control of the hand so he dictated bet sizes. If you raised at some point, you could have made the decision of how much HE had to call.
Temporary Nuts
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 12:28 PM) *
I can't decide which hand is worse. This one, or the AJ hand.


This one
dms26
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 12:01 PM) *
I'm playing on a very limited bankroll



QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 12:28 PM) *
I can't decide which hand is worse. This one, or the AJ hand.


This seems to be the common theme for both hands. You're not going to ever build up a br playing this way.
Sheiky
I don't wanna build up a bankroll, i wanna go broke so i can never play this stupid addicting game again, i have no idea how i no idea how i manage to suck this bad even though i'm a ****ing addict and browse this forum 24/7.

Please, let this thread die.
Zach6668
There's no reason to let it die, but it's certainly the first step towards turning your game around. Post a ton here, and feel free to ask me any questions you have on MSN, if you don't feel like posting it here (I can't guarantee accuracy of my answers over MSN).
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 12:22 PM) *
I don't wanna build up a bankroll, i wanna go broke so i can never play this stupid addicting game again, i have no idea how i no idea how i manage to suck this bad even though i'm a ****ing addict and browse this forum 24/7.

Please, let this thread die.

Find some good books and read those.
Watch some other forum members play poker online.
Cardrunners?

Browsing forums is good to get a grounding in some things and to get past decisions at a higher level. I think that a lot of forums are lacking in material for those inbetween skill levels.

I'll let this thread die. The other one too. I mean, I'm guessing that you were winning this hand at showdown, which would seem to make sense based on the action, but you didn't see it in the hand. Can you figure out what other posters are seeing that you're not?
tskillz187
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 10:11 AM) *
I don't like the limp preflop. I mean, I don't hate it, but raising is much better there becuase you can isolate the one player and hopefully buy the button.

On the flop, I raise that 100% of the time. It's a retarded bet to make and if nothing else, I wanna find out if the players behind me have a hand or not, especially the preflop raiser. If you raise it here, even to $.70, which is still a small raise, it puts pressure on the players behind you to have a real hand.

I call that river bet. Does UTG really have a bigger pair and play it this way? Seems kind of unlikely. He could have a set I guess, but his line just doesn't make sense for a lot of hands and I probably call as a default.

Please raise somewhere next time.


QFT
NoBBiR
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 12:22 PM) *
I don't wanna build up a bankroll, i wanna go broke so i can never play this stupid addicting game again, i have no idea how i no idea how i manage to suck this bad even though i'm a ****ing addict and browse this forum 24/7.

Please, let this thread die.


You just have to calm down, not everyone plays spot on poker all the time. It's easy for us to judge with an unlimited period to think it over. You just have to start thinking about a few things you're not right now, and especially stay away from Monkey-life tilt. I've known many a few players who have never recovered from monkey-life tilt, and it can be brutal.
tskillz187
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 1:22 PM) *
I don't wanna build up a bankroll, i wanna go broke so i can never play this stupid addicting game again, i have no idea how i no idea how i manage to suck this bad even though i'm a ****ing addict and browse this forum 24/7.

Please, let this thread die.


I feel like this at least 10x a day when playing. Your game will turn around when you take responsibility for it. If you want to get better and continue playing do the things Zach and Acid suggested, if you want to get away from the game by all means quit playing. Many more people are losers at poker than winners, it's not something to get mad at. You should take a break and see if you're happier.
cubsfan44
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 9:21 AM) *
Not sure if this is correct reasoning, but the reason i didn't raise was because i raised PF the last two hands and didn't want to get played back at or anything. I also didn't realise we were playing 6-handed as this was a full ring game which i rightly or wrongly limp more often in.

If you wanna play this hand you need to be raising with it preflop. If you dont wanna raise because you think youll get played back at FOLD.
Sheiky
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 9:14 PM) *
Find some good books and read those.
Watch some other forum members play poker online.
Cardrunners?

Browsing forums is good to get a grounding in some things and to get past decisions at a higher level. I think that a lot of forums are lacking in material for those inbetween skill levels.

I'll let this thread die. The other one too. I mean, I'm guessing that you were winning this hand at showdown, which would seem to make sense based on the action, but you didn't see it in the hand. Can you figure out what other posters are seeing that you're not?


Nah, the bettor had J2, which was even more of a reason not to play the had like crap.

I can see what everyone is saying and the thing is i know it's correct, i know it makes sense. It's just that everytime i'm at a table i don't make enough correct elementary decisions that by now should be simple.

I've read loads of books, i've posted in strat, i analyse my game and watch others. Tskills, i DO take responsibility for my game, probably too much so at times. Maybe my expectations are too high, but i get frustrated that after all the time and thought i put into poker i still routinely make errors which receive the kind of response as the AJo hand.

I have a habbit of taking things too seriously and losing perspective of the wider picture, unfortunately i'm not very talented at these things and it gets pretty annoying after a while. I try to take things less seriously, but i'm just not that guy who does something that he isn't commited to. I don't want poker to become something that i'm addicted to but suck at because it brings more frustration than fun.

I've been around long enough to know that everyone has a tendency towards myopic thinking (short term thinking) and that by January i'll probably come crawling back and start being addicted again. Hopefuly in the mean time, i'll be able to play poker purely for fun and not care about how badly i play it, for all my shortcomings at least i'll never put myself in a position where i'd be affected financialy if a lost.

Of all the forums i've been on - and i've been on a lot - FCP has the best community atmosphere by far and is much much better than all of them.

So yeh, i'm out, thanks a lot for all the advice and whatnot.

And sorry for being a whiny bitch heh, it's nearly 11 and i'm really bored right now.
David_Nicoson
That looks like an unusual betting structure. Did you happen to see Drew Barrymore railing a guy at this table?
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