Crazy year of college football. Who are you picks for Heisman? After watching the LSU/ARK game i think right now i would give my vote to McFadden.

I really like McFadden, but it's hard to go against Tebow.

Tebow might lose out for being on a 3 loss team and that he is a sophomore, which don't win the Heisman very often. McFadden is the best player in CFB, but he wasn't doing much earlier this year so he might not be able to pull it out. The two QB's from Miss ans Kansas have a shot at it if they get to the NT game.

After McFadden's second place finish last year and his performances against South Carolina and LSU, I don't see how the voters don't go with him. Tebow has had a great year, but being a sophomore will hurt him in the ballots.

I think Tebow is the frontrunner, but tonight's kansas vs. Missouri game could bring either Daniels or reesing to the attention of the nation, and put them right in the mix. Although I really do like McFadden. I say Tebow wins.

I think Tebow is worthy of the Heisman, but I'd be mad if he won and here's why:
When Herschel Walker, Vick, and Adrian Peterson were Fr/So, it was unheard of to give it to an underclassman. So now if the voters give him the Heisman, it stinks of racism to me. But Tebows numbers are impressive, and the media's definitely on Tebow's jock, so he's got a really good shot.
What about Brennan or Chase Daniel? I'd vote for them for leading their team to national title contention. Tebow's lost 3 games, 2 of which he should have won EASILY (LSU and Auburn). If you vote best player, its McFadden. If you vote most valuable to the team, its Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan. If you vote on numbers alone, I guess you can justify Tebow and his 10 2 yd TD plunges.
Because I want to stay consistent with Heisman history, I'd vote Daniel (if wins Big 12, if not, Brennan), Brennan (or Daniel), #3 McFadden, and #4 Tebow.

Get the fuck outta here.

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Ok ok so he doesn't really deserve to win it but he dam well should be getting more attention then the almost none he is right now. Teblow will probably get it because he is the media darling but I would vote for Chase Daniel if he beats Oklahoma.

It's a shame that Dennis Dixon got hurt because then there would be no conversation necessary.

Yeah, I don't want to claim that, but it seems fishy to me that for the last 20+ years we don't give Fr or So. any love, and this year the media is all over Tebow's jock. I don't get it. Impressive stats, yeah, but Brennan had an NCAA record for TD's last year, and didnt even sniff the Heisman. Why the double standard? Vick in his freshman year led his team to the title game (a nothing team at that time by the way) and was unquestionably the best college player. So was Peterson. And Walker. Explain to me why they didn't win besides their class in school. please.

Even though I hate Florida, I have to think that Tebow will win, 20 passing TDs and 20 rushing TDs is strong.

I wouldn't give McFadden the Heisman...he's got 2 or 3 huge games, another couple really good ones, and then a bunch of average games really.

Tim Tebow and Florida lost in his 3 worst games basically. He's played so well he's probably be my #2 though.=
Dennis Dixon probably had it up until he got injured.

Chase Daniel went over 250 yards passing in all but 1 game, and in that one they blew out Texas Tech. 6 games he threw for over 350 yards. They are #1 in the country. Assuming they take care of OU (a big if I realize) and he performs well again, I'd say he deserves it (but won't win it anyway).

EDIT: to prove my point, taken from an article in the STL Post dispatch quoting another Heisman voter:



....people who vote on awards seriously break my brain. If you want to argue someone else was better, so be it. But to admit you don't accept people into the inner circle?! He should have his vote taken away. The award is for the best player in College Football, NOT the best player in College Football's inner circle of what some idiot thinks are the football powerhouses.

I agree. But Chase Daniel is no the best player in college football. That is Darren McFadden or Tim Tebow.

lol that guy should be immediately removed from Heisman voting. Does college football do anything right? If the games weren't so entertaining the whole sport would implode on itself.

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Dixon had this wrapped up until he got hurt, i feel bad for him......its obv how much he meant to his team after seeing their results since his injury.......I guess it will prolly be Tebow....

in all honestly i could care less about the Heisman......its voting procedure is about as bad as the BCS.........college football is just a mess sometimes, but it is still the most exciting sport to watch imo

Oh LOL.. Just wow.

First player ever with 20 TDs throwing and 20 TDs rushing and it's about the media giving one back to the white guy? Get the fuck outta here..seriously..

If Brennan threw the ball 45 times a game, his numbers would be impressive. When he throws it 65 times a game, well, you're bound to get some TDs.. Besides, every Hawaii QB does this..what differentiates him from Timmy Chang? What makes him special?

He isn't Asian?

Yeah you're right on about the Hawaii QB situation. Any Div1a-caliber QB could probably post some pretty huge numbers playing in that system. I'm not saying Colt Brennan isn't talented, but this is definitly a system that benefits the QBs stats.

Yep..exactly.. If you can pitch the ball with any amount of accuracy, you can put up 5 TDs a game at Hawaii..that's why a Hawaii QB *shouldn't* win the Heisman under June Jones.. And it's not as if this team was blowing people out by 40, 50, 60 points a game..

And where was all this love for past/present Texas Tech and Boise State QBs?

Agree with this post 100%. I like the underdog Chase Daniel. He's the best player on the best team (so far) and has not skipped a beat all year long. At what point do you take into consideration how many losses you lead your team to? If 3 isn't enough to discount Tebow, would 4 or 5? The entire SEC played absolutely zero defense this year and although on average they are much better than non majors, you can't discount Brennan because of the weak defenses he faced.

I would bet any amount of money a guy like Tebow would not thrive at Hawaii. It does take a special quarterback to put up huge numbers there. I think Chang and Brennan would have done just fine anywhere else.

I would bet any amount of money that Brennan would not do nearly as well at Florida..see where that argument got us?

Chang and Brennan would've been just fine anywhere else. Yes..yes they would have. Heisman trophies are reserved for players that are worlds beyond 'just fine'.

I would put up any amount of money against you on this one. Tebow(and many more QBs) would absolutely own if he played in this system. It's not a coincidence that when these guys show up to play football at Hawaii they just turn into million-yard passing QBs.........its all about the system they play in. If Chang and Brennan were so great to begin with they prolly wouldn't have played their college ball at Hawaii.

Tebow has more rushing TD then McFadden and only 4 less passing TDs then Colt Brennen with much less pass attempts then Brennen
I dont see how you can't give it to him, noone's stats compare to his and even in the losses he played very good.
McFadden had multiple sub-par games

Id really like to see if the voters refuse to vote him because he is a sophmore because although its never happened I think its dumb.

and youve got to be shitting me if you bring race into this

Hawaii brings in QBs that they feel will be successful in their system. It's tough to say if Tebow would be successful in the Hawaii system, but something tells me he would.

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like Tebow has potential to become a legendary college football player, like one of those guys that only comes along every 15-20 years.

Well he's done things this year that have never been done before, so I'd say he's on his way.

The only thing that pisses me off (as a Florida fan) is that when he goes pro, he's going to suck.

He is already better than most the Florida QB's in the NFL, I'm sure the Bears would rather have Tebow than Grossman.

I like Tebow. He's a beast. What I want is for the media to be consistent with their pick...best player, most valuable player to team, or best player on best team. They jump around. And voters refuse to pick Fr or So, but this year it seems they've made up their mind on Tebow.
Here's some things to consider.
Tebow has 10 TDs rushing of less than 3 yds. 10. If Meyer gives it to the RB's here, are we even having this discussion? He's also a sophmore and has lost 3 games. I don't care about how old he is, but Heisman voters do, and take this into account.

The system doesn't matter. It didn't for Andre Ware, Ty Detmer, etc, why is Colt Brennan punished for it? Tebow has done something noone else has done this year. Well, Brennan did last year. And has more TD's than Tebow this year. And his teams undefeated. To say he's out because everyone does it in Hawaii is bullshit. (as much as my racism comment, lol)

I go with who means the most to their team (a good team). That puts Brennan and Daniel at the top for me. (obviously dixon pre-injury as well) If you want best player, I have no problem with McFadden or Tebow. I just want the media/voters to be consistent. Thats all.

Don't we all.

I take Daniel over Brennan - Daniel plays in a tougher conference, #1 team in the country, AND slightly better stats.

Basically, the discussion is over whether you punish a guy for his team losing 3 games and those being HIS worst games as well.

My man crush reaches dangerous levels while looking at this picture.

I kinda wish that towel wasn't there.

Well now that you mention it... he does beat a slight resemblance to Emma Watson.

That would be too much, I'd probably pass out.



I wish I could introduce them. Imagine the children.

But Tebow still has over 850 yards on the ground

I'm sure the Bears would rather have almost any QB than Grossman.

Most (not all) quarterbacks have success at Florida. None (literally, none) have proven themselves in the NFL. Grossman was one of the best quarterbacks ever to play at UF, and look at him now.

I'm not saying Tebow won't be a force in the NFL, but if history repeats itself...

A lot of that was back in Spurriers days where they were system QB's, I think Tebow has a whole different skill set all sorts of teams will want.

Good point, and I will be keeping my fingers crossed.

Guys SHOW UP at Hawaii and TURN INTO million-yard passers?

Born in Waipahu, Hawaii, Chang was a 2000 graduate of St. Louis School in Honolulu where he earned three letters each in football and basketball. Chang was selected a prep All-American by eight major organizations and publications. As a member of the St. Louis School football team, Chang completed 491 passes for 8,115 yards and 114 touchdowns in his three-year career.

Colt Brennan backed up Matt Leinart in high school so his HS stats aren't horribly impressive, but he WALKED ON at Colorado. Obv Tebow could have done the same, but not many guys are going to walk on to a QB position at D-I. You just don't do that. He was kicked off the CU team due to an incident that had something to do with fondling a co-ed, but seriously, who hasn't done that.

Brennan transferred to Saddleback Community College in California in 2004 and helped lead the school to a conference championship. He was named honorable mention All-America, state offensive player of the year, and first-team all-conference for his performance that season

These guys were solid before they got there.

Again, I am NOT arguing for Brennan for the Heisman. He might not even make my top 5, but to completely discount him because of the system he plays in?

Much love to ATL Fred

Beanie Wells for heisman lol. I'm not a Tebow fan but i think he has the best chance of winning it. He is a damn good QB.

Tim Tebow has now officially won the Heisman.


Mizzou down, Daniel has no shot.

FINALLY, SUITED AND I CAN AGREE

If you are for Tim Tebow than I can forgive your transgressions towards Kobe.

My ballot would go Brennan, Tebow and McFadden. But I agree, I think Tebow has a virtual lock on it now.

yep, Agreed.

Thank you, I'm tired of hearing people say he cant throw.