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bdc30
So I'm gonna post a few hands where (I think) I'm relentlessly aggressive, either good or bad. Iggy can grade them as a pass or fail.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $50
UTG+1: $28.65
CO: $67.70
Button: $154.65
SB: $43.45
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif
Hero raises to $2.25, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 7 icon_suit_heart.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif ($7.25, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls, SB folds.

Turn: 7 icon_suit_club.gif ($17.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $10.5, CO calls.

River: 9 icon_suit_club.gif ($38.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls.



Bet more on the flop/turn/river? Not aggro enough, Mr. Mcfly?
bdc30
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $49.60
UTG+1: $45.05
Hero: $96.80
Button: $23
SB: $45.15
BB: $72.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif 4 icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: A icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($4.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $4.25, Button calls.

Turn: 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($12.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $7.5,


Carry it too far?
iggymcfly
Hand 1:
Flop and turn look good. The fact that you play a little TAP preflop will make people worry seriously about AA, so it's worth firing, even into a coordinated board. The bet-sizing is fine too as people tend to play a little weird sometimes when they flop top set with AA and betting $5 might look a little scarier than betting full pot. Obviously, we'll continue repping AA when the board pairs and the bet size is good there too. On the river though, we're going to be up against a boat a lot and we're not going to get a lot of value out of anything else, so I'd just make a smallish blocker bet. Something like $15 might get a reluctant call from a naked 7 or a rivered lower flush. You're probably getting called by more hands that beat you than hands that you beat though so you want to keep it small. I'm not a pass/fail type grader, so I'll give it a C+ as you have the right idea, but I think the size of the river bet is still a definite mistake.

Hand 2:
Looks standard. Betting the turn is automatic as you now win the hand with one bet against any draws the majority of the time. I give it an A.
BudBundy
I am not sure if we are allowed to comment on these hands too but i will anyway

Hand 1) Don't raise this preflop from UTG. This is not 200/400 and you are not playing against Gus or PA or Niki. Play simple. Bet it when you have it and fold when you don't. Make small bluffs to get caught. Or you will end up like Simo who is usually like "I play tight for an hour , raise preflop and i get 3 callers on an A high flop. How can they call me with those hands??" They call because they don't really notice how you play nor do they care.

Raising this preflop OOP and playing postflop profitably everytime is very difficult IMO. You don't have to mix it up much in these stakes. You have to adjust your game to each stake , each table and each player. You can't play at 50$ PLO like it is 400$ plo where at least some of the players follow your betting patterns and pick up reads. That's where you should mix it up as much as you can , not here.

Hand 2)

Flop is standard.

Turn is read dependant. If you think he is at least a decent player who is capable of putting you on a hand , it is good.

Bet amount on turn is absolutely perfect.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Thursday, November 22nd, 2007, 1:57 PM) *
Or you will end up like Simo who is usually like "I play tight for an hour , raise preflop and i get 3 callers on an A high flop. How can they call me with those hands??" They call because they don't really notice how you play nor do they care.


LOL - that used to be 100% true.

I never play tight now. I don't make stupid bluffs either. Much. Ish. unsure.gif (no, seriously I've stopped that)


You are correct that players won't notice if you're tight. Why would they? You're never catching their attention. They will, however, notice very quickly if you're LAG. They notice because you're raising them every time they limp in. That annoys anyone and everyone. They will start check/calling you down with two pair, and low flushes, and sucker straights - calling with weaker hands is the only way they know to combat aggression. They will completely fail to notice that just because you are aggro preflop that doesn't mean you are spewing all the way down with nothing. If you've potted preflop, flop and turn, you almost certainly have the hand. They will still be thinking you're just a tard that's constantly betting and raising with nothing.


First hand I like the raise preflop. I think it's strong enough to play for a raise (I'm quite rarely open limping, and almost never doing it from late position). I think I prefer $6 on the flop, but w/e. The Kh is your key card there obviously. The turn bet is good, but I think the river bet is poor. As iggy says, either bet <$15, or check/fold. I can't see someone bluffing the river very often after calling the flop and turn here. There aren't many hands they CAN bluff. I think I'd lean towards c/f.


Hand 2 I like preflop and flop, and I think the turn bet will work often enough to be profitable. He should fold a draw.
bdc30
Again I posted these trying not to be results based. I felt I played them both ok even though there were different results. Hand #1 i actually won, he called down with the J high flush -- he'd called on the river with no pair, but both flush draws, neither to the nuts. I should mark that guy's name down somewhere.

Hand 2 I lost, I think to 68. Meh. I thought if he was on some kind of draw, that second 6 would have to make him fold. Are we ok with raising that preflop 3457 with one suit?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, November 22nd, 2007, 8:18 PM) *
Are we ok with raising that preflop 3457 with one suit?


Yup. I likes this new you.
BudBundy
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, November 23rd, 2007, 12:18 AM) *
Are we ok with raising that preflop 3457 with one suit?


From CO when it is check to you? Yep.
bdc30
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $68.05
CO: $19.25
Hero: $49.25
SB: $43.85
BB: $21.85

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG raises to $1.75, CO folds, Hero raises to $5.5, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 7 icon_suit_club.gif K icon_suit_spade.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif ($11.75, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $11.75, UTG calls.

Turn: T icon_suit_club.gif ($35.25, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero is all-in $32, UTG calls.

Villain 66/24/2 with 40 hands.
bdc30
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $38.65
CO: $24.95
Button: $112.45
SB: $57.65
Hero: $49

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A icon_suit_diamond.gif 9 icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.25, CO folds, Button calls.

Flop: 3 icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_heart.gif K icon_suit_heart.gif ($5.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $5.25, Button raises to $21, Hero raises all-in $46.75, Button calls.

Villain is 70/30/2.5 75 hands
simo_8ball
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Tuesday, November 27th, 2007, 6:02 PM) *
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $68.05
CO: $19.25
Hero: $49.25
SB: $43.85
BB: $21.85

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG raises to $1.75, CO folds, Hero raises to $5.5, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 7 icon_suit_club.gif K icon_suit_spade.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif ($11.75, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $11.75, UTG calls.

Turn: T icon_suit_club.gif ($35.25, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero is all-in $32, UTG calls.

Villain 66/24/2 with 40 hands.

Preflop and flop standard. I probably shove the turn too, but there's a good argument for checking behind and trying to hit. Kinda depends on what do you do with AKTx or KKxx here.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Tuesday, November 27th, 2007, 6:17 PM) *
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $38.65
CO: $24.95
Button: $112.45
SB: $57.65
Hero: $49

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A icon_suit_diamond.gif 9 icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.25, CO folds, Button calls.

Flop: 3 icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_heart.gif K icon_suit_heart.gif ($5.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $5.25, Button raises to $21, Hero raises all-in $46.75, Button calls.

Villain is 70/30/2.5 75 hands

Preflop is interesting. I don't mind raising at a weak/passive table if I have fold equity, but I probably check there if I'm expecting to pick up callers. They are horrendous aces, saved only by the suit.

Flop is superstandard. He can show up with a multitude of draws you crush.
BigLebowski
These look like the same villain. I guess hand #2 might depend on what he called me with in hand #1....a little bit.
bdc30
Good observation, you are correct. I told you what he called me with in the first one - I'll post the full hh later tonight. Now what do you think of #2?
iggymcfly
Hand 3: Super-standard. Good spot for a 3-bet preflop.

Hand 4: No, don't raise this hand pre. AAA only plays decently at all when it's HU and even then, I'm not convinced that the best way to play it isn't just to open-fold. Definitely check with this in the blinds. Flop's fine though.
bdc30
So A and a B- maybe?
bdc30
In the AAA hand, doesn't it help that I got it TO hu by raising?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Tuesday, November 27th, 2007, 9:48 PM) *
In the AAA hand, doesn't it help that I got it TO hu by raising?

Yeah, but if you're potting AAA9ss there you should be potting almost anything.

If the limpers are known to limp/fold then I don't have a problem with it, but if they are that weak then I'm raising a huge range in that position.

EDIT:

Basically, you should be raising a lot of other hands there before you choose to raise that. AAA9 should be way down your list.
bdc30
How about this one? Repot pre? Flat call ok on the flop to go for the overcall/push ??

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $54.50
CO: $16.65
Hero: $49.45
SB: $48.50
BB: $52.70

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A icon_suit_spade.gif K icon_suit_spade.gif 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $3.5, BB folds, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: K icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_spade.gif ($11, 3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $11, Hero calls, SB folds. (CO only has $2 left, it's going in on any turn, it's SB I want in here, I think)
simo_8ball
That's super standard in all respects.
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