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Sick Boy
Ok, Final Table, big tornament.

Player1: 1,100 000
Player2: 1,000 000
Player3: 2,500 000

Blinds 10,000/20,000 -1000ante

7 folders around the table. Action falls onto Player 1:




Player 1: Dealt A icon_suit_diamond.gif 10 icon_suit_club.gif , raises to 200,000

Player2: Dealt King icon_suit_diamond.gif 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif calls

Player3: Dealt 6 icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif raises to 700,000

What do you guys think will happen?Both Player1 and Player2 are very savvy seasoned pros. Player3 has played VERY tight the whole tornament.

When I heard about this play I laughed real hard and was like, "wtf, thats not a play thats retarded,". What do you think?
pdr87
It's called a squeeze-play.

If player 1 is a thinking player, he will be worried about calling your raise when player 2 is left to act behind him.

It could work well if both you and player 2 know that player 1 is capable of opening with a wide range.

It's a very read dependent move, and should be used rarely, with a lot of caution.
Sick Boy
QUOTE (pdr87 @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 2:47 AM) *
It's called a squeeze-play.

If player 1 is a thinking player, he will be worried about calling your raise when player 2 is left to act behind him.

It could work well if both you and player 2 know that player 1 is capable of opening with a wide range.

It's a very read dependent move, and should be used rarely, with a lot of caution.


This is why I love FCP, a few minutes ago that play didnt make sense to me. Hey I'ms still kid,lol.

Ok..squeeze play huh? What about if Player3 has been playing tight but he's an ameteur and he went all in with a much smaller stack, say 500,000. Would that change anything?
pdr87
The scenario you've created is unrealistic though. Why would a "seasoned pro" raise 10xBB (almost 1/5 of his stack) with AT UTG?

Player 3 is almost pot-commited if he makes a squeeze here.
LJB723
Ah good ol' squeezy, not for the faint of heart and as pdr said, to be used on rare occasions.

The best (most famous) is Harrington's squeeze vs Arieh and Raymer (and to a degree Williams) in the WSOP '05

Arieh, playing LAG as usual opens for a raise with something like J9 (doing this from memory). Raymer, knowing Arieh has a huge range makes a call with A2. Harrington, having played a total of 9 hands his entire career wink.gif, takes advantage of his ultra-tight image and pushes with 75. Williams, convinced Harrington is holding a monster, lays down AQ. The other 2 players fold and "Action Dan" quietly boosts his chip stack by a 1/3 or so.

It was a beautiful move, certainly not "retarded", and is the best example of a man cashing in on a carefully crafted image and reading 2 of his opponents perfectly.

Probably on YouTube somewhere, I'd post a link but I have to go give a presentation, laters!
trystero
Look at everything from everyone's perspective. I think I've got the action right, if 7 players had folded to start with.

Button has a raising hand and is called by the SB which could mean almost anything. Then a tight player reraises from out of position, which usually means a strong hand. Well, my ATo isn't looking so good now, is it, because it's dominated by virtually every hand that reraises from the blinds? Better muck.

The SB is actually an idiot - you only thought he was a seasoned pro because he wore sunglasses and a PokerStars hat - because he calls OOP with an easily dominated hand. His play isn't quite as bad, I guess, if he's actually the button in this hand.

Now the BB knows that the button's opening with a wide range - this could even be any two cards. He also knows that if he reraises then he'll likely be able to take this down, given his tight image. He's not worried about the SB at all because his hand wasn't strong enough to reraise with.

Even if the 56s is called he's still only a 3:2 dog. Cards like that are in decent shape against unpaired broadway (only problem is when they run into pocket pairs).

The raise sizes are kinda weird, though. I wouldn't make this play because button could feel committed with a rather wide range.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (trystero @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 12:57 PM) *
he wore sunglasses and a PokerStars hat





Good post trystero.
jmbreslin
QUOTE (LJB723 @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 7:51 AM) *
Ah good ol' squeezy, not for the faint of heart and as pdr said, to be used on rare occasions.

The best (most famous) is Harrington's squeeze vs Arieh and Raymer (and to a degree Williams) in the WSOP '05

Arieh, playing LAG as usual opens for a raise with something like J9 (doing this from memory). Raymer, knowing Arieh has a huge range makes a call with A2. Harrington, having played a total of 9 hands his entire career wink.gif, takes advantage of his ultra-tight image and pushes with 75. Williams, convinced Harrington is holding a monster, lays down AQ. The other 2 players fold and "Action Dan" quietly boosts his chip stack by a 1/3 or so.

It was a beautiful move, certainly not "retarded", and is the best example of a man cashing in on a carefully crafted image and reading 2 of his opponents perfectly.

Probably on YouTube somewhere, I'd post a link but I have to go give a presentation, laters!


He describes it in the "Making Moves" section of HoH2.
NEtwowilldo
Why is he raising 10x?

And, assuming player 1 is button, 2 is SB, and 3 is BB, why is player 2, the savvy seasoned pro, calling a 10x raise OOP with K 7?
Cappy37
Here is where I put in my standard disclaimer:

The SqueezePlay™ is an advanced play, where you overplay any-two-cards or a modest-to-good hand over either multiple limps or a raise and calls, in order to get players capable of making laydowns out of a pot and to take down a substaintial dead money pot.

This play will not be nearly as successful in lower limit cash games and tournaments, because you won't have your #1 necessity: players capable of making laydowns.

Ok, that is all.
BeaverStyle
QUOTE (LJB723 @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 7:51 AM) *
Ah good ol' squeezy, not for the faint of heart and as pdr said, to be used on rare occasions.

The best (most famous) is Harrington's squeeze vs Arieh and Raymer (and to a degree Williams) in the WSOP '05

Arieh, playing LAG as usual opens for a raise with something like K9 (doing this from memory). Raymer, knowing Arieh has a huge range makes a call with A2. Harrington, having played a total of 9 hands his entire career wink.gif, takes advantage of his ultra-tight image and pushes with 25os. Williams, convinced Harrington is holding a monster, lays down AQ. The other 2 players fold and "Action Dan" quietly boosts his chip stack by a 1/3 or so.


FYP

That was a sick hand, and it was really funny to watch the ME FT when Raymer was commentating. It seemed like he had no comprehension of what Harrington was actually doing and taking advantage of.
Sick Boy
QUOTE (pdr87 @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 3:12 AM) *
The scenario you've created is unrealistic though. Why would a "seasoned pro" raise 10xBB (almost 1/5 of his stack) with AT UTG?

Player 3 is almost pot-commited if he makes a squeeze here.


Maybe he's gone on tilt after losing a very big pot and half his stack on a bad beat. Maybe he's getting a bit frisky cause he hasnt played a hand in awhile. Who knows. This is an exact play my friend told me about. Maybe he got it wrong, my friend's only been playing for a year. huh.gif
Sick Boy
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 5:19 AM) *

Good post trystero.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahaha.........HHAAHHHAHAHAHA...hah.
...hahahahaHAHAHAHHHA laugh.gif Hahha...............thats a good one. Who else thinks Moneymaker is just a lucky f$%ker
donk4life
Buddy.. I suggest you take a break from the new topic button and read some previous threads started in the Tournament Play forum.. all the answers are in there..
Sick Boy
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 12:14 PM) *
Buddy.. I suggest you take a break from the new topic button and read some previous threads started in the Tournament Play forum.. all the answers are in there..


uh ok icon_dance.gif. Thanks for the uncondescending advice.
donk4life
QUOTE (Sick Boy @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 2:23 PM) *
uh ok icon_dance.gif. Thanks for the uncondescending advice.


Do you like to make up new words?
StupidKid
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 8:26 PM) *
Do you like to make up new words?


Flihooglipan
Sick Boy
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 12:26 PM) *
Do you like to make up new words?


lol laugh.gif yeah sorry about that one, you know what I mean
donk4life
QUOTE (Sick Boy @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 2:58 PM) *
lol laugh.gif yeah sorry about that one, you know what I mean


Definition of CONDESCENDING: snobby.. so I would only assume uncondescending is the opposite?

so what you're saying is that my advice isn't snobby? why thank you..
Sick Boy
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 1:04 PM) *
Definition of CONDESCENDING: snobby.. so I would only assume uncondescending is the opposite?

so what you're saying is that my advice isn't snobby? why thank you..


lol. Exactly, because there's no way I could've been sarcastic in this situation. biggrin.gif Serously though I've been reading alot of posts and even replied to alot of them. I just think it would be easier to ask a question under "new topic" rather then search through hundreds of threads to find the answer of the question I have to ask. Why are you complaining though, surely an established poker player such as yourself would be happy to help an ametuer like me out with a few stupid questions I have to ask, right? blush.gif
Sick Boy
QUOTE (DCJ001 @ Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 1:32 PM) *


haha nice one. I actually voted and replied to this topic. I said raise 10 000 and looks like DN sais I was right. icon_dance.gif
TravisG
the squeeze play by actionharry or however he is called:

http://pokertube.com/ShowMovie.aspx?movieI...;OrderBy=Latest
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