4 tabling $22+2 turbo sngs, so not much reads. shove, call or fold here (edit - typing mistake before)


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t6875
Button: t2720
Hero: t2235
BB: t1670

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with
UTG raises to t800, Button folds, Hero ?

Neither. Shove.

I agree with a shove here, barring any reads of what a mean raise means from villain. No one is close enough to busting out that you can afford to pass up opportunities where you are clearly well ahead of the top half of villains range. ITs very unlikely you can play the hand well post flop, so push pre.

Shove deluxe.

Shove. Calling would be horrible. I was debated whether it could possibly be correct to fold, but you mentioned that this was a turbo sng. I don't play those, but I would think this may be our best chance to either double up or take down the blinds plus 800 and put some pressure on the short stacks before we're forced to go allin or call with much worse holdings.

The min raise could mean anything from Aces down to rags, depending on your opponent.

Again, I don't have much experience with turbos, but I'm guessing the key to success is not waiting around for hands.

If I was the big stack I would be raising with a huge range of hands UTG if I thought my opponents were going to try and wait it out.

I wonder what people would fold in this spot.

You can never fold TT in this spot. You have 5,5 BBs left. I'll push here with TT+, AK.

Easy shove. The raise from the bigstack 4-handed could be a wide range. He may just be using his stack to push people around on the bubble. You need the chips that are in the pot, and TT holds up very well to his range if he decides to call. I would be very, very happy with TT in this spot.

So what are you doing with AQ? AJ? 99? Folding? Really?

AJ is almost an instafold here.

No one was thinking about BB and how short BB is in comparison to us?

He's really not that short in comparison to us..We by no means have locked up cashing

I disagree that AJ is an instafold..it might be a fold, but definitely not instantly

assuming we're a probable 2:1 favorite over the long run, if we shove here and win 2 out of 3 times or are we going to cash greater than 2 out of 3 times if we fold.

Depends. I'll fold AJ here most of the times, AQs is a push if I don't think I can get my money in better pretty soon.

Your 4 handed and the commanding chip leader made an opening raise..His range, if he knows anything about bubble play, is most likely huge..I would be shoving AJ almost assuredly the more I think about it

ICM-wise, even if his range is wide, It will not be +EV to shove AJ. Because it's VERY likely you will be called.

Insta shove.

FWIW i'm more inclined to shove AJ here aswell.

TT would be the lowest I would shove with here.

You guys are nits..I would love to play Sngs with you, especially if I had a big stack

Ok, but it seems that you don't understand the ICM.

AJ is an ICM fold against a loose raiser with these stacks and action, TT is a repush. There is no hand that I can think of that youre going to flat call, he is never folding to a repush, and getting it all in with AJ here is definitely -EV, dropping your pre-hand equity from $43 to $38 against a loose range and to $30 vs a medium tight range. Fold the hand and your EV actually barely changed from the $43 EV, presumably because youve passed your blinds at this point and the small stack has 2 blinds to play.

(TT is actually questionable, a breakeven repush unless you think you actually have any fold equity against a total donk big stack raiser).