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CrookedLink
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP1 (t1055)
MP2 (t5339)
CO (t1935)
Button (t7650)
SB (t3100)
Hero (t7145)
UTG (t1606)
UTG+1 (t1055)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q icon_suit_club.gif , Q icon_suit_diamond.gif .
5 folds, Button calls t150, SB completes, Hero raises to t600, Button calls t450, SB folds.

Flop: (t1350) K icon_suit_spade.gif , A icon_suit_club.gif , 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t750, Button calls t750.

Turn: (t2850) 4 icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (t2850) A icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.
TravisG
bet on the turn too. if he calls there you know you're behind. the call on the flop and the "check check" on the turn and river seem like he had an underpair and thought you were making a continuation bet on the flop.

the way it turned out wasn't bad. you got a free showdown there, but other players might smell weakness and bet you out of the pot even if you have the best hand.
CrookedLink
QUOTE (TravisG @ Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 9:45 PM) *
bet on the turn too. if he calls there you know you're behind. the call on the flop and the "check check" on the turn and river seem like he had an underpair and thought you were making a continuation bet on the flop.

the way it turned out wasn't bad. you got a free showdown there, but other players might smell weakness and bet you out of the pot even if you have the best hand.


ty sir.
jmbreslin
I think pulling back on the turn is fine in this situation because you're basically way ahead or way behind at that point. Better to just keep the pot small and hope for a cheap showdown.
copernicus
I probably check the flop, but now that youve gotten to the river after that turn card I think youre ahead here almost all the time. Id value bet around 1k
trystero
QUOTE (copernicus @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 1:42 AM) *
I probably check the flop, but now that youve gotten to the river after that turn card I think youre ahead here almost all the time. Id value bet around 1k


Why? Villain checks behind for pot control in a wa/wb situation and calls with kings or aces.
Sheiky
I see no value in playing this hand other than how you played it.

Checking the turn and the River is spot on imo.
mcpickl
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 6:27 AM) *
I see no value in playing this hand other than how you played it.

Checking the turn and the River is spot on imo.


I agree

youre not getting called by any hand youre ahead of on the turn, and the river i think youre more likely to make money checkcalling a bluff attempt than you are to be value betting and getting called by pocket tens or the like.
copernicus
QUOTE (trystero @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 8:57 AM) *
Why? Villain checks behind for pot control in a wa/wb situation and calls with kings or aces.


Im not sure what youre saying here...are you talking about the flop wa/wb and the river calling with Ks or As? You cant be talking about the same street.

On the flop an A or K doesnt check as wa/wb, he makes a smallish bet for pot control, but does not give a free card, which has the potential to turn the wa into being at risk to a 12 outer, in addition to filling a small/mid set. Re the river I just dont believe he can check that pretty drawish board on the turn. I put him prettry solidly on mid-pairs, and the Ace falling on the river gives a lot of players an excuse to call a value bet on the theory that you are less likely to have had an A since another one hit.
throwemaway
I think you took the correct line. You should edit the original post to take away villain's action after you check the river though

Cop: I'm not really sure how you figure Villain has a middle pair..I don't think he often floats that flop with a middle pair and the board is pretty dry..Betting the river is total spew IMO..Hes most likely raising, def. calling with any ace..He is most assuredly calling with a King if he floated the flop and we checked the turn..And do you really think hes calling with a worse hand like 44-77? Just not happening..
copernicus
QUOTE (throwemaway @ Monday, November 19th, 2007, 7:22 PM) *
I think you took the correct line. You should edit the original post to take away villain's action after you check the river though

Cop: I'm not really sure how you figure Villain has a middle pair..I don't think he often floats that flop with a middle pair and the board is pretty dry..Betting the river is total spew IMO..Hes most likely raising, def. calling with any ace..He is most assuredly calling with a King if he floated the flop and we checked the turn..And do you really think hes calling with a worse hand like 44-77? Just not happening..


44 obviously yes, but I dont think you meant that. I think 99-QQ easily play the hand this way and 55-88 could as well. He was button and limp/calls. Thats usually middle pairs, weak Aces, suited connectors. On the flop bet he's getting 3:1...not a great call with middle pair certainly, but he expects a CB here no matter what the board is, and at the upper end of the pairs may think its worth a shot. How does an Ace or K check a turn thats put a draw on the board unless he has the boat?

A bet on the river can chase a King, and I really dont see being up against an Ace here. Youre in for 1200 chips, another 1000 puts you in a tie for 2d place, and your sending those chips to a player close on the right, so you have position to get them back if you lose. I really think its worth a bet here.
GeneralGeeWhiz
QUOTE (TravisG @ Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 7:45 PM) *
bet on the turn too. if he calls there you know you're behind. the call on the flop and the "check check" on the turn and river seem like he had an underpair and thought you were making a continuation bet on the flop.

the way it turned out wasn't bad. you got a free showdown there, but other players might smell weakness and bet you out of the pot even if you have the best hand.


This isn't the best advice. On a board like that, with NO reads, you need to check it down. No double barreling cuse you think you can get them off. MAYBE if you have a great read on someone you can, but that's just -EV and dumping chips.
BeaverStyle
I like how OP played it. Many villains would bet the river against you since your line looks like a c/b, check (giving up) and then a river check (here, take the pot). If that had happened, I could see calling a bet up to about 2/3 the pot. Give him a chance to bluff, and get to showdown as cheap as possible.

Knowing what villain did on the river, it does seem that villain either had a weak king, or a mid pair. A value bet here is a strange play IMO. You'll usually get most mid-pairs to fold, unless they just don't believe you have an A or K. You may possibly get Kx to fold, but because of the ace falling on the river, I think Kx would still call.

If we do bet the river, I think 1,000 would be about right. Gives him 3.85 to 1 on his call, which are pretty nice odds to keep someone honest and call w/ 55-JJ.
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