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serge
So you can vote for you favourite allstar...If he is not on the ballot they have a menu option that you can pick any player...

BUT NO KYLE WELLWOOD...WTF...Bates Battaglia is on the list but not Wellwood?????I cant even do a write in vote for the best player in hockey...


http://fanballoting.nhl.com/vote.asp?site=CA
Whiter Sr
QUOTE (serge @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 8:29 AM) *
So you can vote for you favourite allstar...If he is not on the ballot they have a menu option that you can pick any player...

BUT NO KYLE WELLWOOD...WTF...Bates Battaglia is on the list but not Wellwood?????I cant even do a write in vote for the best player in hockey...
http://fanballoting.nhl.com/vote.asp?site=CA

How come I knew before I opened this that it was "another" Kyle Wellwood thread?
serge
But its not fair...Every player is on that list...John friggin Pohl for crying out loud...

A major letter is about to be written to the NHL
fryer98
QUOTE (serge @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 11:29 AM) *
I cant even do a write in vote for the best player in hockey...

You don't have to write him in, he's 5th on the list under "Eastern Forwards"....DUH!
serge
Very funny...That would be Crosby...I didnt pick him by the way...
Whiter Sr
QUOTE (serge @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 8:43 AM) *
Very funny...That would be Crosby...I didnt pick him by the way...

Let me guess your picks.

G - Andrew Raycroft
D - Bryan McCabe, Tomas Kaberle
F - Mats Sundin, Nik Antropov, Darcy Tucker (Kyle Wellwood if he was there)

Am I close?
bdc30
QUOTE (serge @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 11:36 AM) *
A major letter is about to be written to the NHL


Make sure to cc: Steve Simmons on that too please. I hear he appreciates your correspondance.

Seriously, who cares. Not one name you've mentioned, Wellwood included, had a snowball's chance in hell of making it anyway.
serge
Close...

G Vesa Toskala
D Mccabe, Kaberle
F Sundin,Blake and Afinogenov

I will rotate the third out in subsequent voting...
serge
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 8:47 AM) *
Make sure to cc: Steve Simmons on that too please. I hear he appreciates your correspondance.

Seriously, who cares. Not one name you've mentioned, Wellwood included, had a snowball's chance in hell of making it anyway.


Thats not the point...the democratic process isnt being exercised here...Aaron Asham can get votes...why not Kyle...?

And trust me I ll stay up for 10 days to make sure Kyle gets 10000 votes
Zach6668
Can McCabe play for the West?
serge
very funny...hilarious actually...

I have 4 new Penguin zingers I am holding on to for after tonights loss.
Whiter Sr
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 8:50 AM) *
Can McCabe play for the West?

I think he has to play for the Eastern conference team. His 1 goal and assist in overtime has come for his eastern conference rivals. Otherwise we could make an argument.
fryer98
QUOTE (serge @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 11:43 AM) *
Very funny...That would be Crosby...I didnt pick him by the way...

Oh no, he might not make it now!

QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 11:50 AM) *
Can McCabe play for the West?

Awesome.
TheDaveyG
QUOTE (serge @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 8:29 AM) *
So you can vote for you favourite allstar...If he is not on the ballot they have a menu option that you can pick any player...

BUT NO KYLE WELLWOOD...WTF...Bates Battaglia is on the list but not Wellwood?????I cant even do a write in vote for the best player in hockey...
http://fanballoting.nhl.com/vote.asp?site=CA



LOL they have my favorite player on the list!

Vote for Rene! (Bourque)

You can only substitute one player from the ones they have already chosen? Stupid.
serge
i am glad you guys find this amusing...

but not being able to vote for Kyle Wellwood for the All Star game is not fun and I have taken appropriate actions to rectify the situation.
fryer98
QUOTE (serge @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 3:30 PM) *
i am glad you guys find this amusing...

but not being able to vote for Kyle Wellwood for the All Star game is not fun and I have taken appropriate actions to rectify the situation.

You got him private lessons at a local rink?
runthemover
meh. I guess I'll post my votes here.

East (don't watch as many games as I should so don't destroy me here)

Mats, Vincent, Sidney

Kimmo, Chris P.

Henrik


West

Joe T., Jerome, Henrik

Scott H. (former shark homer pick), Nicklas

Evgeni (homer pick)
sinc
Here are my picks:

East:

Sidney, lecav, kovalchuk

Markov, Chris Phillips

Huet ( homer pick)


West:

Joe sakic, rick nash, Camilleri (all sort of homer picks)

Lidstrom, pronger

Leclaire ( based just on this year, he probably deserves it.)
Swacker Dave
QUOTE (serge @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 9:36 AM) *
But its not fair...Every player is on that list...John friggin Pohl for crying out loud...

A major letter is about to be written to the NHL



Easy on the Pohl bashing...... MouseStank!

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strategy
NO DAVID PERRON?
digitalmonkey
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 11:47 AM) *
Make sure to cc: Steve Simmons on that too please. I hear he appreciates your correspondance.

Seriously, who cares. Not one name you've mentioned, Wellwood included, had a snowball's chance in hell of making it anyway.



I think McCabe has a very good shot. The all-star game is all about offense and who better than McCabe to play? He scores for both teams.
digitalmonkey
My picks...

doox
I think the leading point scorer amongst all defensemen in the league not being included in the first round of choices is a way bigger slap in the face. Whitney should be a secondary choice, not Gonchar.
digitalmonkey
QUOTE (doox @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 9:48 PM) *
I think the leading point scorer amongst all defensemen in the league not being included in the first round of choices is a way bigger slap in the face. Whitney should be a secondary choice, not Gonchar.



What do you mean 'first round of choices'?

EDIT: nm, you had me thinking there was a 2nd round of choices to pick from, but I know what you mean now.
doox
Yeah, I meant he wasn't in the initial list of names - just the supplemental list.
Rated-R
QUOTE (serge @ Thursday, November 15th, 2007, 12:29 PM) *
So you can vote for you favourite allstar...If he is not on the ballot they have a menu option that you can pick any player...

BUT NO KYLE WELLWOOD...WTF...Bates Battaglia is on the list but not Wellwood?????"I cant even do a write in vote for the best player in hockey..."


http://fanballoting.nhl.com/vote.asp?site=CA


Wow! I am having flashbacks to last season when you said Bryan McCabe was an elite defenseman.
Vertigo
QUOTE (Rated-R @ Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 5:02 AM) *
Wow! I am having flashbacks to last season when you said Bryan McCabe was an elite defenseman.


LOL you musta missed this post from a week or so ago...

Zach i agree with you...Wellwood is not a good shooter but thats not his game....He is an amazing playmaker and a very good puckhandler...He has that inate ability to see where is teammates are , sort of like Gretzky but obviously not as talented...As much as people hate Mccabe , his ability on the PP is unmatched...With Kaberle and Mccabe back there its harder for defences to shut them down, Kubina is not as talented obviously.....
serge
So you disagree with the fact that Mccabe is one of the top dman in the league offensively???Especially on the PP???
strategy
QUOTE (serge @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 5:00 AM) *
So you disagree with the fact that Mccabe is one of the top dman in the league offensively???Especially on the PP???

One would have to have an extreme anti-leafs bias to say that mccabe is not talented offensively. I just wonder why they haven't given him a try as a forward. Maybe they have and he sucked, I don't know, I don't follow the leafs closely.
sleuthis
QUOTE (strategy @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 11:46 AM) *
One would have to have an extreme anti-leafs bias to say that mccabe is not talented offensively. I just wonder why they haven't given him a try as a forward. Maybe they have and he sucked, I don't know, I don't follow the leafs closely.


No that havent, that is something I have always thought would be a good experiment.
Vertigo
QUOTE (serge @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 6:00 AM) *
So you disagree with the fact that Mccabe is one of the top dman in the league offensively???Especially on the PP???


I never said he wasn't a good offensive defenseman Serge. You said his ability is unmatched. Very different statements. There are several defensemen in the league who I would say match or exceed his abilities offensively, and definitely defensively. That's all.
coesillian
QUOTE (Vertigo @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 4:40 PM) *
I never said he wasn't a good offensive defenseman Serge. You said his ability is unmatched. Very different statements. There are several defensemen in the league who I would say match or exceed his abilities offensively (Sheldon Souray), and definitely defensively (Sheldon Souray). That's all.


burn
strategy
QUOTE (coesillian @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 11:49 PM) *
[souray is better both defensively and offensively than mccabe]

mmmm.

mccabe:
878 games 113a-291g, 404pts
PPG: .460

souray:
512 games 67g-121a, 188pts
PPG: .367

There are only a handful of blueliners in the NHL better than McCabe offensively and I don't think Souray is one of them. I don't care what your bias is, the guy obviously has unique offensive talent.
Vertigo
No. McCabe definitely not unique.

Phaneuf is better.
Pronger is better.
Lidstrom is better.
Schneider is better.
Neidermayer is/was better.
Rafalski is better.
Gonchar is better.
Zubov is better.
Kaberle is better.

I'm getting bored now.

Note: Although he may have slightly better career offensive #'s than some of these guys, they are all way better defensively, thus negating any small offensive advantage he may have. Also, he has two team mates that are D-men outscoring him right now. If that makes him unique, well then...I dunno what to say anymore.
Whiter Sr
QUOTE (strategy @ Sunday, November 18th, 2007, 8:46 AM) *
One would have to have an extreme anti-leafs bias to say that mccabe is not talented offensively. I just wonder why they haven't given him a try as a forward. Maybe they have and he sucked, I don't know, I don't follow the leafs closely.

Most of his points are from a shot from the point on the PP. Not exactly a spot where a forward would be. I really don't see him rushing the puck a lot either so to me he wouldn't make a very good forward.
serge
Mccabe is an all star calibre dman..Enough said...Its all about perception, people just wait for him to make a mistake and then BOOM lets focus on it...The game that he played Saturday night was amazing..Leaf fans have selective memory and one bad giveaway apparently can go a long way in erasing a phenomenal performance..
digitalmonkey
QUOTE (serge @ Monday, November 19th, 2007, 9:21 AM) *
Mccabe is an all star calibre dman..


LOL...yes, that is because defense is not a requirement for the all-star game.
Whiter Sr
QUOTE (serge @ Monday, November 19th, 2007, 6:21 AM) *
Mccabe is an all star calibre dman..Enough said...Its all about perception, people just wait for him to make a mistake and then BOOM lets focus on it...The game that he played Saturday night was amazing..Leaf fans have selective memory and one bad giveaway apparently can go a long way in erasing a phenomenal performance..


You are putting McCabe in a catagory that he just doesn't belong in. He is an NHL calibre defensemen. I will give you that but he is by no means an all star.

Will you at least admit that the other great dman make a lot less mistakes than McCabe does.
Pronger, Niedermeyer, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Gonchar, Phaneuf, Redden etc ...

I know I am a sabres fan but I would rather Tallinder, Campbell, Lydman & Spacek over McCabe even if their salaries were the same. There is a reason why this guy played for 4 different teams. They all probably saw that he had the offensive talent but couldn't get it done in his own end.
serge
I will let the results speak for themselves..Go check the tapes of Saturday...His coach and his teammates know the type of player Mccabe is..Thats all that counts...

GO LEAFS GO
Whiter Sr
QUOTE (serge @ Monday, November 19th, 2007, 8:48 AM) *
I will let the results speak for themselves..Go check the tapes of Saturday...His coach and his teammates know the type of player Mccabe is..Thats all that counts...

GO LEAFS GO

Just to let you know, no matter how bad McCabe plays the coaches and other players have to stand behind him. They know they are stuck with him for another 3 years and criticizing him will only make matters worse. So just because they make positive comments does not mean they believe in his talent. It just means they want the team to be better and sh%tting on him in interviews is bad for the team.
serge
you are correct...and yes we are STUCK as you say with him..But when he is parading with the Stanley Cup around the ACC in early June then what??

Maybe not this June but a soon June....
coesillian
QUOTE (strategy @ Monday, November 19th, 2007, 3:24 AM) *
mmmm.

mccabe:
878 games 113a-291g, 404pts
PPG: .460

souray:
512 games 67g-121a, 188pts
PPG: .367

There are only a handful of blueliners in the NHL better than McCabe offensively and I don't think Souray is one of them. I don't care what your bias is, the guy obviously has unique offensive talent.


actually the vague point I was trying to make was that McCabe was worse than Souray defensively, hence the burn.

McCabe and Kaberle are one of the best PP pairings in the leagues.
Just don't put McCabe on a 3 on 3 in ovetime.
serge
Why is the 3 on 3 in OT a big deal...They were going for the win with their offensive players while the Habs were playing for the shootout, hence they put defensive players out there...

Much like poker you get your money in with the best of it, and sometimes you lose the hands where you have a mathematical edge...i bet you 7 times out of 10 the leafs win that matchup and 3 or 4 of those times Mccabe scores to win the game...

Maurice wouldnt do it any different...You need follow your decisions based on a situation, not result oriented..
coesillian
QUOTE (serge @ Monday, November 19th, 2007, 12:27 PM) *
Why is the 3 on 3 in OT a big deal...They were going for the win with their offensive players while the Habs were playing for the shootout, hence they put defensive players out there...

Much like poker you get your money in with the best of it, and sometimes you lose the hands where you have a mathematical edge...i bet you 7 times out of 10 the leafs win that matchup and 3 or 4 of those times Mccabe scores to win the game...

Maurice wouldnt do it any different...You need follow your decisions based on a situation, not result oriented..


this isn't poker, result are what count in hockey, it's all about the win and nothig less.
serge
I agree, however you cant say he made a mistake because of the result....He made his decision and I think it was the right one...It wasnt wrong just because Montreal scored the goal..
Rated-R
QUOTE (serge @ Monday, November 19th, 2007, 12:48 PM) *
I will let the results speak for themselves..Go check the tapes of Saturday...His coach and his teammates know the type of player Mccabe is..Thats all that counts...

GO LEAFS GO


Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every so often!
Whiter Sr
QUOTE (serge @ Monday, November 19th, 2007, 9:12 AM) *
you are correct...and yes we are STUCK as you say with him..But when he is parading with the Stanley Cup around the ACC in early June then what??

Maybe not this June but a soon June....

I didn't know he was friends with Jason Spezza. I didn't realize he would let Brian borrow the Cup and take it for a ride after Ottawa won this year.

The Sabres will win a cup before Toronto wins another.
TheDaveyG
All-Star Eastern Conference leaders so far...

No surprise that Sid leads, the goalie votes are somewhat surprising so far. It would be a shame if Lundqvist isn't the starter.
Untilted
Does anyone know exactly what happened with Gonchar on the all-star ballot. I have not seen one. Is he left off entirely? Whose fault was it and is this individual no longer working in such capacity?
Gigalow 2000
after reading this post all i can think about is how bunk all-star voting really is

if any other leaf besides sundin makes the all-star team the NHL has sunken to a new low

if anyone deserves a write-in vote it's Richards!
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