Reads: Villian is decent player. Loves to talk alot. He plays online as he mentioned before. Other than that, i haven't seen many hands he's played down to the river.
My image: I'm somewhat TAG, but 2 out of the last 4 hands i raised PF anywhere from $7-15, so i'm looking kinda loose at this point, but i'm getting cards. I haven't shown down any of those hands.
My hand is 88
Effective stacks: Hero $300 Villian $190-
Preflop: MP1 calls $2, Hero raises to $12, LP2 calls $12, Villian in BB calls $12.
Flop: 2,3,2
Villian checks. Hero bets $15. LP2 folds. Villian stacks chips and check raises to $35.
Hero:
Full Version: Snowmen Melting On The Flop
chitty spot.
your flop bet got you in it though.
this is exactly the kind of flop you're going to get messed with a lot by a gigantic hand range, especially if you've been pretty active recently.
it's one of those spots where i either full pot it to ~36 (most of the time) because then villain has to think real hard about committing himself to a c/r bluff given that he only has 190, or i check (occasionally), and consider a c/r myself if button bets.
as played, you can call and re-evaulate, but you have to call somewhat quickly. if you've been tanking a little bit, then fold, because villain will keep up the pressure and nothing's going to make you feel better on the turn except another 8.
your flop bet got you in it though.
this is exactly the kind of flop you're going to get messed with a lot by a gigantic hand range, especially if you've been pretty active recently.
it's one of those spots where i either full pot it to ~36 (most of the time) because then villain has to think real hard about committing himself to a c/r bluff given that he only has 190, or i check (occasionally), and consider a c/r myself if button bets.
as played, you can call and re-evaulate, but you have to call somewhat quickly. if you've been tanking a little bit, then fold, because villain will keep up the pressure and nothing's going to make you feel better on the turn except another 8.
QUOTE (nomad_monad @ Friday, November 9th, 2007, 10:50 PM) 
chitty spot.
your flop bet got you in it though.
this is exactly the kind of flop you're going to get messed with a lot by a gigantic hand range, especially if you've been pretty active recently.
it's one of those spots where i either full pot it to ~36 (most of the time) because then villain has to think real hard about committing himself to a c/r bluff given that he only has 190, or i check (occasionally), and consider a c/r myself if button bets.
as played, you can call and re-evaulate, but you have to call somewhat quickly. if you've been tanking a little bit, then fold, because villain will keep up the pressure and nothing's going to make you feel better on the turn except another 8.
your flop bet got you in it though.
this is exactly the kind of flop you're going to get messed with a lot by a gigantic hand range, especially if you've been pretty active recently.
it's one of those spots where i either full pot it to ~36 (most of the time) because then villain has to think real hard about committing himself to a c/r bluff given that he only has 190, or i check (occasionally), and consider a c/r myself if button bets.
as played, you can call and re-evaulate, but you have to call somewhat quickly. if you've been tanking a little bit, then fold, because villain will keep up the pressure and nothing's going to make you feel better on the turn except another 8.
Exactly.
QUOTE (nomad_monad @ Friday, November 9th, 2007, 10:50 PM)
chitty spot.
your flop bet got you in it though.
this is exactly the kind of flop you're going to get messed with a lot by a gigantic hand range, especially if you've been pretty active recently.
it's one of those spots where i either full pot it to ~36 (most of the time) because then villain has to think real hard about committing himself to a c/r bluff given that he only has 190, or i check (occasionally), and consider a c/r myself if button bets.
as played, you can call and re-evaulate, but you have to call somewhat quickly. if you've been tanking a little bit, then fold, because villain will keep up the pressure and nothing's going to make you feel better on the turn except another 8.
your flop bet got you in it though.
this is exactly the kind of flop you're going to get messed with a lot by a gigantic hand range, especially if you've been pretty active recently.
it's one of those spots where i either full pot it to ~36 (most of the time) because then villain has to think real hard about committing himself to a c/r bluff given that he only has 190, or i check (occasionally), and consider a c/r myself if button bets.
as played, you can call and re-evaulate, but you have to call somewhat quickly. if you've been tanking a little bit, then fold, because villain will keep up the pressure and nothing's going to make you feel better on the turn except another 8.
Yea, if i'm going to call i have to call quickly. Any hesitation is going to show villian that i'm unsure and he can continue to fire away.
Keep the discussion coming, i'll post results later.
What do you all think about this play:
Flop: 2,3,2
Villian checks. Hero bets $15. LP2 folds. Villian stacks chips and check raises to $35.
Hero instantly annouces all-in for $270-
Flop: 2,3,2
Villian checks. Hero bets $15. LP2 folds. Villian stacks chips and check raises to $35.
Hero instantly annouces all-in for $270-
Very nice value bluff.
QUOTE (MAV_304 @ Saturday, November 10th, 2007, 2:55 PM)
Hero instantly annouces all-in for $270-
i'd rather do this with 56o or A2 than with 88.
wouldn't even do that with AA here. i'd call the raise and then shove the turn once villain bets again.
in other words, i'd save your big bluffs for when you have air that is pretty likely to not be drawing dead, though possibly really slim. and then blend them with hands that are the near nuts. when you bet big like this, you shove all of villain's hands into the same value range: i.e., almost all of them become bluff-catchers and nothing more. but you don't want to be dead against any of the bluff catchers. if you don't have such a black-white hand range and it's more blended, it means that sometimes when he decides to catch a bluff with a bluff-catcher, you're drawing dead - which makes it correct for him to call more often.
QUOTE (nomad_monad @ Saturday, November 10th, 2007, 5:07 PM)
when you bet big like this, you shove all of villain's hands into the same value range: i.e., almost all of them become bluff-catchers and nothing more. but you don't want to be dead against any of the bluff catchers. if you don't have such a black-white hand range and it's more blended, it means that sometimes when he decides to catch a bluff with a bluff-catcher, you're drawing dead - which makes it correct for him to call more often.
I like this analysis, thanks.
Here's what i'm thinking while the hand is taking place. I'm aware that Villian is somewhat of a solid player, a little loose perhaps, but knowledgeable. On a previous hand, i observed his betting line to be rather cautious than aggressive. When I saw his raise, I'm thinking he he has a pair as well, either 6's, 9's or 10's perhaps. I started to think that i wanted to make a play at this guy just to see what happened, and also to work on my pose (not giving off tells) as i orchestrate a bluff.
I'm thinking he can't call me if he knows what he's doing and if he has anything below 10s and if i put him on a hand correctly. I tried to position myself as quietly and as unintersted as possible. He eventually folded 10s. Something else funny happned after that but im not sure if want to share it.
QUOTE (MAV_304 @ Sunday, November 11th, 2007, 12:37 PM)
I like this analysis, thanks.
Here's what i'm thinking while the hand is taking place. I'm aware that Villian is somewhat of a solid player, a little loose perhaps, but knowledgeable. On a previous hand, i observed his betting line to be rather cautious than aggressive. When I saw his raise, I'm thinking he he has a pair as well, either 6's, 9's or 10's perhaps. I started to think that i wanted to make a play at this guy just to see what happened, and also to work on my pose (not giving off tells) as i orchestrate a bluff.
I'm thinking he can't call me if he knows what he's doing and if he has anything below 10s and if i put him on a hand correctly. I tried to position myself as quietly and as unintersted as possible. He eventually folded 10s. Something else funny happned after that but im not sure if want to share it.
Here's what i'm thinking while the hand is taking place. I'm aware that Villian is somewhat of a solid player, a little loose perhaps, but knowledgeable. On a previous hand, i observed his betting line to be rather cautious than aggressive. When I saw his raise, I'm thinking he he has a pair as well, either 6's, 9's or 10's perhaps. I started to think that i wanted to make a play at this guy just to see what happened, and also to work on my pose (not giving off tells) as i orchestrate a bluff.
I'm thinking he can't call me if he knows what he's doing and if he has anything below 10s and if i put him on a hand correctly. I tried to position myself as quietly and as unintersted as possible. He eventually folded 10s. Something else funny happned after that but im not sure if want to share it.
you pooped your pants?
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