villain is very tight/rocky.

I have been playing pretty TAG


No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $397
CO: $89.78
Button: $65.57
Hero: $220.80
BB: $199.05

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with
UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: ($18, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: ($18, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, UTG raises to $40, Hero ??

I think you run into AA a lot here, but I think you see AK/AQ a fair amount as well.

I'm never folding, but I want to see a showdown. I call the turn and either c/c or b/c the river.

Cwik, was he c/r hands he hit hard OOP?

That's the variable here. If you saw him do that before, or if you feel as though you have a stabby image, I'd reraise him just above min, hopefully sucking him in. If you haven't seen him c/r before, call the turn.

i agree i call the turn and c/c the river

I pretty much shut down and try and get to showdown here most of the time. He's either got a hand like AK/AQ and will probably bet the river or he's got a set and will definitely bet the river, so you should get value from the hands you beat anyway.

I'd just call this bet versus any opponent, and usually C-R the river...

Are we phearing A-A that much where we have to C-C the river?

We did lead into him on a duck...

Do you think he's paying off a c/r with 1 pair? Really, this is a set A LOT and we should act accordingly. We'd like to get to showdown without flinging all of your chips into the pot becuase if we do and get called, it's invariably by a bigger set.

EDIT: (Just a couple) hands beat you and you just got repopped. I re-raise to $125 and insta call the shove. Honestly, this AK feeling really good 50% of the time.

And if the river is another ace or a king? Still c-c?

If it's only A-K half the time... wouldn't we want to slow down?

because the other half of the time i don't feel good, the set is good anyway

If it's AK exactly half of the time and he'll never fold it, then raising is a breakeven play for us.

I'd probably c/r or lead a river A, but not many other cards aside from the case 2 I think. Just cause the river A makes it less likely he's got AA for obv reasons.

I see AK/AQ check that flop a lot to try and generate action on later streets when they think they are way ahead (and were at the time). I don't like shutting down and just calling with a set without a phenominal read on my opponent.

We're not deep enough to contemplate set over set ... if it is, it just is ...

We don't need to go broke here if we're behind. I think more often than not, if we get it AI on the turn, we get shown a set.

My thinking is that a big ace or two pair is going to seriously contemplate folding if we push the turn, but if we fill the pot on the turn, we can get it all in on the river.

Obv. if it's an overset, I'm not afraid to lose my chips with this hand, the way it played out.


EDIT: We're just not deep enough to worry and I don't want to miss any value from this set on a scattershot board. This is a money-making oppty.

If he has AK or AQ and we 3-bet the turn on him, do you really think he's calling that often? If somehow he has 2 pair, yeah, we're gonna stack him. Really, the only legit options are that he has a set or that he's got AK/AQ here. I guess sometimes it's a bluff, but we can't get more action from him there anyway.

Also, the reads are important.

Bingo...he shouldn't.

Shouldn't, and what actually happens in a 1/2 shorthanded game are different things.

I don't see anything wrong with calling and CRing the river if your scared of pushing him off an A on the turn.

you post a lot of really good advice. day in day out. i hate playing for stacks when you're hand has near as much value as bottom 2 and villain takes this line.

But rocks will. If you play them right, they will put their money in with TPTK.

????

You're kidding?

Bottom two?

I don't understand.

villain's hands are literally AA, 33, 88, AK or AQ, with a rare exception of A8 (i think this is really rare)

if were playing for stacks we're banking on villain having AK or AQ, thus our hand has the same value (obviously not equity wise against these hands) as 23.

In my admittedly meager experience it isn't a good idea to worry too much about set over set. You get pushed off the better hand too often when you're playing afraid of monsters, I bet here and call any shove.

Our set is very well disguised. Villain is rocky and this is a dry, dry, dry board. He'll make his move on what he perceives to be AQ. With only one BI at stake here, I'm getting it in with my sneaky little set.

My level of thinking isn't that high, but here goes:

EP raise to 4x bb...standard w/some sort of hand. I wouldn't raise that much here with AA b/c I either want to get a caller or I don't. In EP, I assume a call or 2x/3x raise w/AA. I eliminate AA. Instead, I think Ace, Paint.

Flop comes, Hero Checks. Ace checks behind, hoping Hero catches something on the turn.

"Safe" card comes for Ace, and the Hero bet looks like a stab attempt, so Ace attempts to either get a call on the $40 or shut down the hand, IMO.

From here, I call his re-raise, and c/r the river.

That's where I'm at with this hand. Did you get a showdown?

Most people don't vary their raises preflop for position or hand strength. I typically raise 4BB at the limits I play and add 1BB for each limper. Therefore, if I'm gonna open the pot UTG with AA or with 78s, then it's gonna be the same raise. Unless the OP made reference to varying raise sizes and what they meant, you really should try not to try and put them on a hand based on a preflop raise size when they open the pot because you're really just guessing.

i raise AA and KJo the same amount first in. i vary my 3-bets according to the situation, but never the first one.



checking AK behind here is a mistake, the only way hero is going to play a pot w/ him is if he spikes gin, also AK needs to get value from AT-AQ.

i think a bluff like KcQc always c-bets that flop.

i think more likely a set checks the flop hoping that hero spikes a set or 2 pair.



if you're villain your line is so strong that when he leads into you on the turn, you should probably just be calling, but definitely not putting in that huge raise.

sick spot... you do run into AAA / 888 here ALOT... well, maybe not 888 as rocks prob dump those UTG....

which is why A 8 is like impossible...


i call the raise & c/c river...


plz dont reopen any of the betting in this hand (obv unless the 2 comes)


raise UTG then check A high board, then "brick" on the turn & put a legitimate sized raise in?


that's sooooooooo strong... of course, he can't necessarily put hero on 222

Which is exactly why a raise there with AK isn't out of the question.

We're not saying that villain can't have AK...we're saying that there's little value in 3-betting the turn since we should pretty much never get called when we're ahead.

(I'm not saying that I don't go broke on the river.)

Personally I think this is either almost always AA, or AK/AQ. I don't think I ever see 33 or 88 from a rock with an EP raise.

The turn makes me lean more and more toward AK or AQ than aces, but not by a lot.

Any read that the guy has not c-bet the flop + raised the turn would help a lot. If he does it a lot, I'd call + c/c.

Actually, I think I'd call check/call anyway. If he has Ak or AQ he's going to be the river enough that we will get paid somewhat nicely, and if we are against aces we're saving a little bit of money but not a lot. Also if a club, 4, or 5 falls we may save some extra money if he has rockets. I don't think he's ever got a draw here so calling the turn is fine.

I'd call + c/c the river like always. If he shoves the river, that's a different monster.

Yeah, I'd like to emphasize that as well. If the river blanks off, and he shoves, I'm calling unless I had some stellar read, which you'll likely never have.

Also, if the river is an Ace, I don't really hate a check/raise there because at that point, he WILL call you with AK/AQ.

I 3bet the turn, villain shoved, and I called. Villain flipped up 54s. I missed my 10 outs.


I am pretty sure this is a call on the turn, but still not positive about the river c/c, b/c, c/r are still all possible.

I am also not sure if I should chock this up to a cooler or I lost more then I needed to in this hand.

and he raised UTG with 45s?

I think there's a lot of discussion about calling down because we think we're beaten. If we truly believe there is an overset, why do we go into "call down" mode at all? If it's an overset, we have one out in the deck. Fold. Almost the same argument goes for the straight.

I guarantee that we're ahead here the majority of the time. And even when we weren't, we had outs.



Yeah.

It's not that we think we're beaten...it's that we don't know. We're absolutely WA/WB here...which is why we're calling down.