For those of you that carry can you tell me what your reason is? I'm just interested to know your guys reasons, I'm not judging. I am a gun's right proponent. I personally don't carry because I am on a college campus where it is not allowed. I don't know if I will ever carry one consistently. I have not experienced anything where I feel the need to have one on me. I plan on getting my concealed weapons permit this summer just to have.

For those of you that carry can you tell me what your reason is? I'm just interested to know your guys reasons, I'm not judging. I am a gun's right proponent. I personally don't carry because I am on a college campus where it is not allowed. I don't know if I will ever carry one consistently. I have not experienced anything where I feel the need to have one on me. I plan on getting my concealed weapons permit this summer just to have.

I have my concealed carry permit, but I actually never really carry it "on my person" so to speak. I guess it just feels weird walking around carrying a guy. I do carry it with me in my car going to work and on trips (just not over the weekend where I may be drinking or going to a bar or something, no need in that) mainly because you never know. I mean, you buy a gun for personal protection hoping that you never have to use it, and I hope that I never do have to use it, but if I was ever in a situation where I needed a gun and I didn't have one even when I own multiple guns and a concealed carry permit? well, I'd shoot myself for being that stupid.

Nice.

Looks like a sweet little pistol, let me know what he thinks after he fires it and carries it around for a bit. Like Hank said, for a backup gun in close quarters .380 should do just fine.

How much?

I have my concealed carry permit, but I actually never really carry it "on my person" so to speak. I guess it just feels weird walking around carrying a guy. I do carry it with me in my car going to work and on trips (just not over the weekend where I may be drinking or going to a bar or something, no need in that) mainly because you never know. I mean, you buy a gun for personal protection hoping that you never have to use it, and I hope that I never do have to use it, but if I was ever in a situation where I needed a gun and I didn't have one even when I own multiple guns and a concealed carry permit? well, I'd shoot myself for being that stupid.

How do you carry it in your car? Do you keep it out between your seat and the console?

I was never a Glock guy until I bought one. The reputation kind of turned me off them because every kid thinks it's cool to talk about having a Glock. I avoided them just to be different but they are in fact great guns. I have never shot a Sig, but that is probably the next gun I will buy unless I decide to pick up a carrying gun.

I was never a Glock guy until I bought one. The reputation kind of turned me off them because every kid thinks it's cool to talk about having a Glock. I avoided them just to be different but they are in fact great guns. I have never shot a Sig, but that is probably the next gun I will buy unless I decide to pick up a carrying gun.

So many questions but everytime I pose a question to you gun owners you get all "don't take my gun away from me you liberal pinko commie fag."

What would you like to know, other than why I would ever need a gun when the police are right there ready to protect me?

See.

I have said it in the past everytime I ask a question, I personally have no desire to own a gun (unless it is a M4 Carbine or a P90). I have no issue with Sal, Adam, Hank, or Beans, owning guns, loving guns, cleaning their guns with their freshly ejaculated sperm. Free country, supposedly. But some of the reasons expressed interest me and I want to ask questions but everytime I do I get piled on, which is sexy at first but then a little annoying.


Maybe in Toronto over a beer I will ask you and then you can beat me up and shoot me.

I guess it just feels weird walking around carrying a guy


not over the weekend where I may be drinking or going to a bar or something

How do you carry it in your car? Do you keep it out between your seat and the console?

Sal, what do you do with your gun when you get to work. Do you bring it inside, hide it in your car and lock the doors, or do you just leave it between your seat and your console?

So many questions but everytime I pose a question to you gun owners you get all "don't take my gun away from me you liberal pinko commie fag."

When sal carries a guy, he ALWAYS keeps it out....

Thx Adam. He is going to get the Kahr 380.

For those of you that carry can you tell me what your reason is? I'm just interested to know your guys reasons, I'm not judging. I am a gun's right proponent. I personally don't carry because I am on a college campus where it is not allowed. I don't know if I will ever carry one consistently. I have not experienced anything where I feel the need to have one on me. I plan on getting my concealed weapons permit this summer just to have.

in my truck my glock fits perfectly down in a crevice between my drivers seat and the middle seat so I just slide it in there (wow that sounded sexual) and in my car I just keep it in the passenger seat under my cd book. I try not to advertise that I have a gun cause people seem to think you're crazy if you have one.


this paragraph describes me to a T in every way. also, I've got a beretta 92f myself (centurion model, slightly shorter) and I haven't shot it in many many years, but I've heard the same things about them. not only are they inaccurate but they're also very lacking in power. and that's mainly an ammo issue, but still.

So many questions but everytime I pose a question to you gun owners you get all "don't take my gun away from me you liberal pinko commie fag."

The bolded makes you worthy of asking questions, you have good taste. I'm just messing with you in any event, ask away.

For those of you that carry can you tell me what your reason is?

So my Brother is doing business in Florida and spending more time in Jacksonville than in Toronto. He recently bought a Taurus .38 snubnose revolver for the car and home protection in Florida.

*******, mainly.

(Note: I do not carry anymore because I am a violent, convicted felon who is barred from owning firearms. But I used to carry, pretty much everywhere)

If he's in Florida, the gun has to be "securely encased" unless he has a carry permit, per Florida law.
Bear in mind, there are no other provisos that dictate how or where the gun must be stored. Per Florida law, it can be cocked, locked and sitting in a zipper case on the front seat. Problem is, cops don't know the law for shit so there is aggravation to be had if the gun is readily accessable, but "securely encased" thus satasfying the legal provisos. There is a long-standing Florida myth about a "three steps rule", where a gun has to be "three steps" away in a vehicle in order to be legal. It's something that some cop somewhere made up in their minds, it sounded plausable and the notion took like wildfire. Problem is, it has no basis in the law and there are cases where Florida cops have actually arrested people for illegally carrying a weapon because they violated the "three steps rule". Those people won civil cases, but best to avoid the headache.

As an aside, I know Jacksonville very, very well. It's really turning into a dump and there are some places that are Atlanta-Awful. A .38 snub is a .38 snub. If he doesn't practice regularly with it (double action, mainly. Nothing is teh LOL more than watching someone practice with a self defense revolver in SA only) he'd better hope they're close up and standing still.

He's living in Ponte Vedra is a secure condo near the ocean but he is on the road a lot and does sometimes drive through some pretty bad areas.

He keeps the gun in a soft case that's like a shaving kit. I'm not sure if he puts that in the glovebox or not while he's driving.

There are no bad areas in Ponte Vedra, but it's a closet community for Jville, which has TONS of very bad areas.

The *best* book on this topic... Every state should have a lawyer that writes one like it.
http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/p/Florid...rship-Book.html
Florida is shall-issue as far as carry permits. If hes legal to own it, he can legally get a permit to carry it. He may as well just get one so he can carry (concealed) however he wants. Carry Permits about as common as air down there and when you encounter a cop while armed, a carry permit pretty much makes them 'go away' without any further aggrivation. Every other method of carry that isn't locked in the trunk will force the 85 IQ retard cop to call his 100 IQ supervisor and from there, it's 50/50 whether anyone knows anything. Permits just make life easier.

Law would broaden Montanans' gun rights

By KAHRIN DEINES of the Associated Press
HELENA - Montana lawmakers are betting the words ‘Made in Montana' might be able to trigger a court showdown with the federal government, while also freeing some gun owners and dealers from background checks and licensing requirements.

Under a proposed law before the Legislature, firearms, weapons components and ammunition made in Montana and kept in Montana would be exempt from federal regulation, potentially releasing some Montanans from national gun registration and licensing laws. The legislation could also free gun purchasers in the state from background checks.

Still, the bill's proponents say the measure has much bigger prey in its sights.

“Firearms are inextricably linked to the history and culture of Montana, and I'd like to support that,” said Republican Rep. Joel Boniek, the bill's sponsor. “But I want to point out that the issue here is not about firearms. It's about state rights.”

Gun rights and state's rights both play well in Montana. The state's leading gun rights organization boasts it has moved 50 bills through the Legislature in half as many years. And bills bucking federal control over wolf management, marijuana and wetland protection are also being considered. Unlike these others, though, the “Made in Montana” measure has been intentionally drafted to draw the feds into court.

“The primary purpose is to set up a legal challenge, but also to say we have a lot of really good people in Montana who do the right thing,” said Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association.

Montana gun manufacturers, known for specialty rifles that mirror models used in the 1800s to settle the West, are welcoming the bid for independence. The House has endorsed it with a 64-36 vote, and the Republican-controlled Senate could pass it easily.

State police associations, though, are watching this latest effort to thwart federal regulation with quiet concern. While they are not opposing the measure - a risky political stance in a gun-loving, big-sky, open-space kind of place - they are wondering just when the authorities the bill spurns might take a stand.

“I think the local elected officials I work for would certainly like to hear from the federal agency with responsibility in this area,” said Jim Smith, director of the Montana Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has not offered a position on the bill and did not return calls for comment.

“The bill clearly raises constitutional issues,” said Kevin O'Brien of the state attorney general's office. “I think that's something that both proponents and opponents can agree on.”

The measure would require the office to file a one-time declaratory judgment representing the new law on behalf of a Montana manufacturer.

At issue in any such court case would be federal authority over interstate commerce, the legal basis for gun regulation in the United States. Through the Constitution, Congress has authority to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the states.

The U.S. Supreme Court has handled past efforts to bypass what's known as the Commerce Clause, most recently in 2005 when the court upheld federal authority to regulate marijuana in California, even if its use is limited to noncommercial purposes - such as medical reasons - and it is grown and used within a state's borders.

Montana's current bid for sovereignty over guns, however, could fare better with the added firepower of being linked to a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear firearms, say its proponents.

“It's only done because the firearms are a stronger case than, say, making doilies,” Boniek said. “Knitting is not a constitutionally protected right.”

However, Randy Barnett, the lawyer and constitutional scholar who represented the plaintiff in the California case, said gun rights may not have much bearing on the bill's constitutional mettle. More important, he said, may be the “Made in Montana' stamp - and stay in Montana guideline - that lawmakers are proposing for the state's firearms.

In the Gonzalez v. Raich case argued by Barnett, the court said that because marijuana produced within and outside of California are essentially indistinguishable, the government must regulate both to enforce national drug laws. Montana, though, could potentially argue that its guns are sufficiently unique and segregated as to lie outside of overarching federal regulatory schemes, Barnett said.

The actual economic impact of the bill, pitched in part as a stimulus, is uncertain. The number of firearms made here lock, stock and barrel are limited, as are the number of Montanans available to buy them. For example, the gunmaker Shilo Sharps Rifles in Big Timber estimates that of the 800 or so custom guns it builds in a year, only between 20 and 30 are sold to state residents.

But the proponents say no matter - unregulate it, and they will come.

“We tend to break trail here in Montana,” Marbut said.

Thinking of getting a CZ75. Anyone have one? Pros/cons?

For Steve:



Sitting in the case at my local gunshop, I stopped by on lunch this afternoon to see if they had anything interesting. I'd seriously be considering a purchase if not for the fact that it's about $500 overpriced, they have a tag on it that says $2199.

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For those of you that carry can you tell me what your reason is? I'm just interested to know your guys reasons, I'm not judging. I am a gun's right proponent. I personally don't carry because I am on a college campus where it is not allowed. I don't know if I will ever carry one consistently. I have not experienced anything where I feel the need to have one on me. I plan on getting my concealed weapons permit this summer just to have.

Published on Friday, May 15, 2009.
Last modified on 5/15/2009 at 12:38 pm

Winchester rifle auctioned for $93,000
By Gazette News Services

GREAT FALLS - A Belgrade couple sold a rare Winchester rifle for $93,000 at auction.

Walt and Pat Woodland sold the Winchester Model 1873 One of One Thousand to a Seattle-area collector during an online auction conducted by Shobe Auction & Realty on May 9.

Jayson Shobe says it was a privilege to auction the historic firearm.

Winchester records show the rifle was made in 1877 and shipped from the Winchester factory a year later.

The One of One Thousand rifles were fitted with barrels proven to shoot more accurately than standard barrels. The company intended to make 1,000 of the rifles, but records show that only about 133 were completed.


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I can't help but think how great that thing would look mounted in the bed of my truck or on my front porch.

LOL @ desire to have a "technical"

LOL @ desire to have a "technical"

No comprendo.

Doubt you'll be laughing when things go all Mad Max or the zombies rise up.

about what .... 80% of the world is Mad Max now, right?
Africa
About all of South and Central America
Much of Asia
The Middle East.
Eastern Europe
Florida and South Texas

Take a world map and black out the places where remnants of western civ survive.
The rest is Mad Max world.

I don't generally keep up on this thread, so maybe these have been posted, but here's a couple videos showing who wants to ban guns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ

I don't generally keep up on this thread, so maybe these have been posted, but here's a couple videos showing who wants to ban guns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ

Was watching a show last night called "Best Defense" or something like that and they were looking at best concealed carry caliber considering things like: stopping power, ability to fire 3 more rounds quickly after first round discharge etc etc and the top concealed carry caliber was .40S&W.

Just some food for thought.

I love being right.