good lord, the .44. my wrist gets enough punishment as it is, I don't know if it could handle that.

I don't even like to shoot my .44
It's just fo show

I would imagine. shooting my .357 is bad enough with the kick, although I think it would be better with a 360 degree covered hand grip. the one I have is like the one above where the metal of the handle is still exposed on the back. pinches like a bitch.

I've got a Super Black Hawk that is a beast to get a hold of. Kind of like yours if you aint carefull it will pinch the shit outa you.

It came with wood grips. They really beat the crap out of your hands!

I got the gun when I was 18. I had a friend buy it for me. He had one just like it, but in nickel.

We used to go to the range where all the cops would shoot their little .38s. They would come over to check out what was making all the noise and ask us if they could shoot our guns. One of the cops gave me a 1" orange dot to put on the target. I sent it out and proceded to do the best six shot grouping in my life! I had all six in less than a 4" circle with one dead center. I quit shooting and let the cops spray bullets all over the target.

We always declined to shoot their .38s.

Shooting bowling pins is fun with big hand guns.

I had a chancet to shoot a .454 Casull. That's a fun gun! It's only a five shot revolver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.454_Casull

So I watched a show about the green berets this weekend in which a significant amount of time discussed arms utilized by SF operators. They mentioned the HK416 as the new carbine of choice over the M4, so of course my curiousity was piqued. Sounds interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_HK416



They mention the XM8 in there a bit as well. But according to the following article, it sounds as if the XM (XM29 which begat the XM8) project may be shelved until materials tech advances enough to overcome weight issues.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/02/atCarbine070219/

great. something else I have to start saving money for.

The good news, is that the HK 416 upper will work on AR lowers. So we wouldn't need to purchase the entire carbine. Though I don't know for sure that HK will maintain that kind of modular adaptability in the civilian version when it hits the US market. But it seems like it would be a giant pain in the bottom line for them to modify the design to change that capability.

Just picked this up.....
.45 Ruger Vaquero.....cheap too.

Very nice.
My dad loves those. He's got two with faux ivory grips in a double cross draw rig. Yeah, he wants to be Doc Holiday or somethin.

I'm gonna keep snake shot in this one. I'm tired of running up on those buggers unarmed.

Guns suck.

Only when someone else has one and you don't.

I'm a total revolver know-nothing, so forgive me, I'm an auto guy:

What is the purpose for the spring under the barrell? Something to dampen recoil?

I believe it's to eject spent shells.


Let me go look.

no buddy, YOU SUCK

Yeah it's to assist in ejecting spent shells. When the gun is all clean and shiny the shells drop out fairly easy. But, at the range after a couple hundred rounds it helps pull em outta the muck.


And...




So does your mom. To completion I might add.


QFT

Gotcha, thanks.

Hank/Shake

http://rustyland.com/

Check out this website, this is a big drinking/fourwheeling/shooting/camping weekend my buddy does every year. You guys would love it. I have not been in a couple years, but its pretty fun.

Holy shit !
My kind of people. Damn shame it's a in freakin California.

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awesome.

Watched Shooter with the old man the other day and we were trying to figure out what the rifle was that he had in the AGs office toward the end of the flick.

So I went to this website to look it up and found this rifle, which sounds and looks pretty amazing.


They did a piece about it on FutrueWeapons too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpRHdjBj5ZI

I bet it's 10 bucks a shot though given that it's a proprietary bullet.

oh I JUST saw that episode of future weapons yesterday over at my buddy's house. we both agreed that we must have one. what was it, like 2500 yards away that he made a shot with it? something ridiculous like that.

Yeah. 2530 yards. The ~900 yard still went through the steel plate.

But I think the grouping and penetration (huhuhuh penetration) on the night shoot at 600 yards was jaw droppingly awesome.

Dad said he did some looking and the civilian model is around 10k.

FACE

sigh. so dumb.

big shock another 5-4 decision where Kennedy was the swing vote. The Supreme Court is a myth. It is the court of Anthony Kennedy.

So are you saying that you thought the gun ban was a good thing???

I think most gun bans are good things. But I am more distressed that one guy (Kennedy) basically makes all major judicial decisions in this country.

nm

I don't disagree, kind of dumb to have 8 of 9 votes already decided on pretty much most issues.

I do find it comical that they banned guns in the city that had the highest murders per capita.

What I find comical, and I really haven't heard this brought up on talk radio or CNN or anything, is that in Chicago and DC they are letting the officers carry assault rifles in their vehicles because they are under-armed on the streets. This is in cities that HAVE BANNED GUN OWNERSHIP!!! If banning gun ownership cuts down on gun crimes, WHY DO THE COPS NEED TO BE MORE HEAVILY ARMED? That is the most asinine thing I've ever heard in my life.

Because the cops do not need to defend themselves against unarmed law abiding citizens. It is the thugs buying uzis and AK-47 toting drug dealers the cops have to worry about. When your MAYOR is caught doing coke, you know there is more than a handgun problem!!!

What I mean is, Liberals think that banning guns will help stop gun crime. If that were true, cops in DC and Chicago shouldn't have anything to worry about, because it's illegal. This just shows how stupid liberal thinking can be.

"Goddamn bitch set me up!"

Some more priceless quotes from my hero...

"If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate."
--Marion Barry, Mayor of Washington, D.C.

Can anybody find anything wrong with the next statement???

"I read a funny story about how the Republicans freed the slaves. The Republicans are the ones who created slavery by law in the 1600's. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and he was not a Republican."
- M. Barry,
Mayor of Washington, DC

and making it easier to get guns will decrease crime?

the conservative position on this is that we cant stop criminals from getting guns we might as well arm untrained citizens too. good plan. in essence, liberals are trying to solve the gun violence problem whereas conservatives think it is a lost cause so we might as well turn America into the OK corral.

I live in the midwest so it's probably different out here than it is on the east coast. You talk about untrained citizens with guns. I would say that the average man here has more experience handling guns than most soldiers. My girlfriend is in the national guard, and I am much better at shooting than she is. I've been handling and shooting guns since I was 8.

I understand your point....but the bolded seems like a gross exaggeration. maybe some probably not most.

And I really dont think more guns will ever help decrease gun violence. That doesnt compute for me even if everyone in the midwest is Wyatt Earp and Annie Oakley combined.

Supreme Court 1

Liberals 0

after guantanamo, I think the score is 1-1.

Is anyone else a bit furious that one person (Justice Kennedy) basically makes every important judicial decision on his own? The other 8 are a lock to come up 4-4.....

LOL.
You're grossly overestimating "soldiers" and equally underestimating the hunting and outdoors culture that exists in the upper midwest.

Any "professional military" system is going to draw heavily from the bottom of societies barrel, including 'urban types' (<-- we all know who that is) that don't know anything about firearms. Not to say that all military folk are this way- just 'a very large number'.

This is true, I have a couple guns, I am not a traditional gun person, I shoot them on occasion, I have to take a few minutes every time to re-learn the gun. Same with shooting a friends gun, I make sure I know here the safety is, clip release, how to de-**** it, etc. With that being said, I have seen many many ex-military that I am much more gun savy than.

That's because the majority who don't go infantry get a crash course of 1 week on weapons before being assigned to their desk job behind lines.

I like shooting... it's fun !

Im also a licensed carrier but I would rather shoot targets than bad guys.

"The CheyTac M-200 holds the world record for best group at a distance, landing 3 bullets within 16-5/8 inches (42.2 cm) at 2321 yards (2122 m) near Arco in Idaho.[2]

On The TV show Future Weapons episode "Massive Attack" the host Richard Machowicz, a former United States Navy SEAL sniper, made 3 out of 6 shots hit a human sized sheet of metal at a distance of 2,530 yd (2,313 m) at Arco Pass in Idaho.[3]."

awesome!

That's what I'm sayin! That thing is wicked sweet. Hopefully the price will drop on them in 10 years or so and I can toy with the idea of getting one.


So I was looking for a new sling for my M4 today and couldn't decide between these two so I got 'em both since they were relatively inexpensive and my bday is coming up. Thoughts?

What is funny is people going through police training to become an officer and either 1. never fired a handgun, or 2. are afraid of guns. Happens all the time as wells as my favorite discharging a round while holstering the firearm.. CLassic!

Napa,

If you're looking at getting an M4 I highley recommend Bushmaster. Also, I recommend getting one with the A3 sights over the A2. Here's why: the A3 has a removable carry handle with a Picatinney rail system so if you should choose to add optics down the road it doesn't have to mount on top of the carry handle which looks terrible and (so I've been told) can make it top heavy and awkward to handle.

They're not exactly cheap though. I paid about a grand for mine. If you don't want to drop that much now I suggest you get the "lower" with the telescoping stock. That piece of equipment was on the last ban list and will most likely make any new one that comes out.

http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_military_MCWA2F14M4.asp

yeah I second the bushmaster sentiment. i think they are probably the best overall deal out there in ar guns. you can pay more for colts and other brands, but you really aren't getting more from what I've seen. also, I had no idea there were a2 and a3 sights, I just happened to find the one with a3. guess thats pretty lucky.


also hank: how do you like that top sling up there? I really need to buy one and can't decide. and have you gotten any other toys for yours yet?

I much prefer the top sling to the bottom one. It's more stable but still allows for enough freedom of movement to bring the rifle up to firing position quickly. If I didn't care about my gun getting banged up/scratched to hell the bottom would be ok.

No mods yet, want to be fairly proficient with it before I start tinkering. Also, I dropped a couple hundy on 500 rds for it so that's pushing back any toys for a bit. I think I'll probably look at optics within the next few months or so.

Hank, I can't remember if you're from Omaha or Council Bluffs so this may or may not apply...can I hunt with an A4 in Iowa? I'm not talking deer, I'm talking like rabbits and squirrels, and coyote...stuff like that. I've been looking and can't find any definitive answers on this. I have a lot of private property I can hunt on and I'd like to kill some things legally with the M4 aside from just target shooting.

Don't really know about coyote but as for varmints (rabbits, squirrels, etc) I would think it's fair game since (to my knowledge) there's no licensing involved to kill them. I've only really done any hunting in kansas many, many moons ago, when I lived on a farm for a while. I killed rabbits like they were Jews and I was their own version of Hitler. Never killed coyotes because that required licensing. I wouldn't think Iowa would be extremely different from Kansas in regards to hunting small game. Just remember



Uncle Ted says: "EAT WHAT YOU KILL!"