Starting this because there seems to be a few shooting enthusiasts around and we're getting run out of other threads like smokers out of NYC.
Not a place for debating the Second Amendment but for discussing various arms, shooting, and other ownership issues.


What I currently own:
Browning .380 which is a pretty sweet little pistol. It was my dad's who then gifted it to me which I then traded back to him for a rifle. He then gave the pistol to his ex-wife (while they were married) who I recently purchased it from. I found out that they don't make these anymore so I'm glad I got it back. I've always been pretty good at hitting with it. It's a rare occurence when I don't get a "possible" at 25 ft.

Beretta model 96FS (.40 S&W). This was the first firearm I purchased with my own cash. I had been looking at getting a Beretta for years and decided to go with .40 over 9mm. My dad and I went into a sporting goods store one day just to look around and pickup some ammo for his rifle. We were looking at Beretta 9's when I said something like "If they have the full size in .40 I'd buy it right now." Well, the floor guy hear me and produced one from behind the counter immediately. Me, being a man of my word, walked out of the store less than an hour later with a brand new pistol.
At first, I didn't particularly care for it all that much. It had a bit of a ghost trigger pull on it and I basically couldn't hit shit with it unless I just cut loose and sent the entire clip worth downrange in the matter of a few seconds. Finally, I got accustomed to the trigger pull and grew to truly appreciate the pistol.

1903 Springfield. This was the rifle I traded the .380 for above. It was my grandfather's and I can still remember the first time I shot it when I was 15. I had owned a .22 rifle for 2 years and had gotten pretty darn good with it at the 80-100 yard range. So one weekend my dad, his dad, and I went up to the mountains to do some target shooting outside of Blackhawk, CO. Toward the end of the day gramps let me shoot 5 rounds through his '03 at an antifreeze jug from about 50 yards opensights. I missed the first but landed the subsequent 4 on target. Immediately after my last round I turned to my dad and said "I like this gun." So when the opportunity presented itself to finally own it, I didn't hesitate a second and made the trade.

If money weren't an object and I had a plot of land to go shoot whenever I wanted this would be my wish list:

Match M14, scoped
M4 with Aimpoint optics
MP5, preferably the SD model
Thompson SMG (primarily as a collectible, but I'd like to shoot it occasionally)
Barrett .50
HK USP Compact Tactical .45 suppressed


I'm sure there's others I've overlooked but those seem to be the ones that top the list at the moment.

Guns don't kill people. They kill BLACK people.

oh D you so silly.

They kill ALL brown people.

Currently own:

SigArms P229 in .40cal S&W
Walther P22 (.22LR)
Springfield single barrel pump action 12 gauge

On my list:

Pretty much everything else, although I specifically intend to purchase a .223 Bushmaster or Colt AR-15, and a Remington 700 rifle with an expensive piece of optics mounted to it within the next year or so.

I just got my CCW in March, and needed to store up some cash for my honeymoon in Vegas in September so I didn't have any opportunity to make any big purchases on it until we got back (I bought the .22 in July because I just needed to buy something right that instant, you know the feeling). Just picked up the Sig this past Monday and I absolutely love it. The very next thing on the list is finding a reasonably priced range somewhere around here that will let me shoot all my toys (since I already own pistols and a shotgun, and I intend to purchase rifles), and I need to upgrade my safe situation although I don't have room or $$$ for a vault just yet.

As far as pistols go, I find something new that I like almost daily. I go back and forth on Glocks, but I'll probably pick up a subcompact .45 one of these days, possibly my next purchase. I also like the airweight .357mag S&W's but they're expensive as hell (my local store has a new one, and they want almost a grand for it) and from what I read, the recoil is kind of vicious.

The P229 is the pistol I've wanted basically since the moment I started thinking about getting my permit over 10 years ago, so I'm glad I have that. Just need to keep researching until I fall for something else that I can't live without.

I can easily see myself buying a new gun every 3-6 months for the rest of my life, it's very addicting.

Don't own one, but a black co-worker recently tried to sell me a TEC-9. What a silly looking gun.

Beretta 9mms seem kinda sexy. Maybe I'll look into getting one of those, and we could use a cigarette thread. Somebody do that.

I had the master plan
I'm in the caravan on my way to Maryland
with my man Two-Tecs to take over this projects
They call him Two-Tecs, he tote two tecs
And when he start to bust he like to ask, "Who's next?"

My list....

Kimber Ultra-Carry II - Matte Stainelss Finish
Glock 23-C .40 cal.
Mossberg 300 12g
Winchester 300 mag custom
Taurus .38 hammerless


I usually carry the Glock (LIFETIME CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT - I LOVE INDIANA), I keep the shotgun loaded on a rack above the door inside my walk-in closet in my bedroom with a trigger lock with a key hidden nearby. I have a motion sensor downstairs that beeps once loudly about 10 seconds before going off. The beep is loud enough to wake me and to cause any intruder to freeze for a few seconds. This gives me more than enough time to get the Mossberg unlocked and positioned at the top of the stairs. Hopefully when the alarm goes off the intruder will just take off, but if not, I'll be ready. I could care less if someone steals my stuff, I just don't intend to let them make a run up the stairs to where my wife and kids are. I can't think of a better weapon to use to shoot someone coming up a set of stairs at you than a shotgun :-) Maybe a M203 grenade launcher, but I am a bit worried about collateral damage :-)

I carry a Kel-tec .380 with a back up clip. Also have a Mossberg bolt action shotgun, Taurus 9mm (beretta 92 clone) w/ 2 15 round clips, 22 rifle, 22 pistol, 38 snub nose, Ithaca featherweight 12 gauge (weighs 4 pounds fully loaded. Easy to carry in the woods all day, but DAMN at the recoil!!) and a few others I will not mention here.

Since you mentioned the song might as well mention the author

FYP

Then:

I went to see Poppy to cop me a brick
Aks for some consignment, he wasnt tryin to hear it.
Smokin mad Newports cause Im due in court
for an assault I caught in Bridgeport New York.

Im not American so i guess i just dont get it, but to the two posters above who say they carry a pistol, why would you do that?

Do you carry it during the day when you are running errands? At night when going out for dinner? Is it incase someone tries to mug you?, or if you happen to get tangled up in a bank robbery or something of that nature?

See bolded.

I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

I know that's totally cliche, but it's true nonetheless.

Here's why I carry it, true story. I've carried a gun for 8 years, and this is the ONLY time I've ever pulled it out.


I had just picked up my twin 9 month olds from the babysitter. Was driving home and some young kid pulled over right in front of me, almost took my bumper off. So I honked at him, he flicked me off, I flicked him off, whatever. We come to the next stoplight (there is a car behind me and cars on both sides, I have nowhere to go) and the passanger gets out of the car with a baseball bat! Young kid, less that 18 I'd say. Now I play Rugby, and if I hadn't had my kids in the car, I would just get out, and he'd better kill me with the first swing or I'm going to kill him, but not with my kids in the car. So I pull out my Glock, open the door and get down in the "V" between the door and car and tell him to drop the f-ing bat. Well, he drops the bat down to his side, but then bends over and reaches down towards the floor of his vehicle! I'm thinking "holy crap, I'm going to have to shoot this kid!" I tell myself if I see black or silver in his hand, I'm pulling the trigger. Well, the first thing I see is green, thank god. This stupid, stupid kid pulls out a Mountain Dew bottle and throws it at me, hops back in the car and they run the red light to get away. Well, the lady behind me by this time has already called 911, so I pull off and wait for the cops to show up, along with her. The cop gets there, I show him my permit and everything, and he tells me if it had been him, he would have shot him as soon as he reached in the vehicle. He says that since I had the kids in the car and a witness (who totally agreed with everything) I could have shot him and wouldn't have been arrested. Anyway, THAT'S why I carry a gun, not to protect myself or my stuff, but to protect my kids. And anyone who says they wouldn't carry a gun to protect their children, is either a liar or an idiot IMO.

Cool thanks for explaining it, btw i wasnt judging you.

Still cant get my head around it tho, its so foriegn to me. Ive been to the States a few times (my Dad lives in Milwaukee) and I think if I saw a random Joe Citizen carrying a gun id still probably get pretty freaked out lol and dive into some bushes for cover.

Here in New Zealand its illegal to even own a handgun unless you have a special collectors gun licence.

I'm not really that riled about guns so don't flame me

"Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. Fourteen. Now the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns, woooo I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the ****ing word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard. Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns woooo I'm getting a stiffy - twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns.

"But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there." - Bill Hicks

Biggie

lol @ the "mountain dew" story..

Reminds me of poker actually.. Your hand turned out ok, but not without some serious aggression on both sides, with both sides risking far more than they had any business to.

Moral of the story: don't instigate shit over minor traffic beefs when you have children in the car, whether you are packing or not. You have 0 to gain and your whole "chipstack" to lose from such a confrontation.

And no, I'm not a pacifist or anything like that. I'm just a normal guy who seems to avoid physical confrontations. I've also worked off and on as a bouncer for the last 8 years (until I began DJing full time), so I usually approach idiots with the path of least resistance in the first place. When you get cut off in traffic you're first two thoughts should not be that the person (or people) in the car are a. ) sober and b. ) need to be taught a lesson. Defensive driving is akin to defensive living.

umm......this is the saddest thing I have ever read in my life. You almost shot some kid over him cutting you off. Am I reading this correctly?

Seriously, If I ever HAD to carry a gun to feel like my children were protected........I would think it's time to move somewhere a little safer.

PS----I have a Paper Clip that keeps Terrorists away.........I'll sell it to you for $500.........you know, just in case

Some statistics, then I'm going to bed:

Taking a cross section of 100,000 random Americans, statistics tell us the following:

15 of them will die from motor-vehicle related incidents
10 of them will die from some form of poisoning.
5 of them will die from suffocation.
7 will die from falls.
320 of them will die from heart illness.
190 of them will die of some form of cancer.
25 of them will die of diabetes.

10 of them will die from gun-related incidents (of which, 5-6 of those will be suicides and/or drug related homicides).

Sources:

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

Of the 2.4 million American people that died in 2002 (the best stats I could readily find), 62% died from heart disease or cancer, and just over 1% died from firearms (again, more than 50% of those gun deaths were suicides or drug murders). If you still think that gun violence is the huge blight on the face of our society that the government and media tell us it is, then I don't really know what else to say to you.

ok, I guess reading comprehension isn't easy for everybody, so I'll help out. no, he did not "almost shoot some kid" for cutting him off. he was cut off, the situation was escalated, admittedly by both parties, and when cornered, his and his children's lives were threatened by "some kid." should he have waited for the kid to drag him out of his car and beat him to death in front of his kids? that a safer alternative?


and by the way, crimes happen in Bel Aire too. not everyone can just move to the safest 25 square feet of the country and guarantee they'll never be in a situation where they have to defend themselves. thats just ignorant.

and for anybody else that feels like starting a debate on whether or not guns are icky and evil, here you go

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=111780

Thanks shake, plz.. lets keep this thread focused.. only gun enthusiast posts about their guns, guns they like, guns they hate ( specific guns they hate, not the genre of guns in general) and posts containing hardcore hip-hop lyrics referencing those guns.

...and how they are going to shoot said guys with said guns

Fruedian slip? All this phallic compensation has gotten me horny, obv.

Well, back in the day, I owned dozens and dozens- there pretty much wasn't anything that I didn't own at least once. Every gun I "used", meaning, it actually got dirty. None of them were safe queens.

My own personal preferences:

I prefer AKs to ARs for most all normal use, but in situations where I know the gun is going to stay clean, I'd definitely take the AR. Oh yeah, and I know how big of a sacrilege it is to say this out loud in the Tactical Tom community, but I absolutely love Mini 14's. Mine, under harsh field conditions, have been dead set reliable and accurate enough to practically serve their purpose rather than theoretically accurate enough to argue about over the internet.

I'm definitely a Glock guy, and a 10MM guy. Seen 9MM, .45 ACP, .40 and 10MM in action on ferral hogs- there just isn't any comparison. A light, fast 10MM totally ****ing pwns, but really, it's 95% shooter and 5% bullet. When I carried a 9, it was a CZ75.

I do appreciate the utility of a good shotgun.

In precision rifles, well, I wasn't ever a good enough precision rifle shooter to really take advantage of the difference between a "stock" Remington PSS and a "tuned" PSS, but god, how I saw every marginal shooter ejaculate over spending $1000 "tuning" their rifles to shoot at a degree of accuracy that is substantially higher than their abilities to take advantage of it.
Like, there are very few guys in the world who really make use of a 1/2 MOA difference (in circumstances other than the bench), but, as with IQ's, Lake Wobegon rules the day and indeed, all shooters are really above average, if you ask them about it.

That's where I always tried to distinguish myself. I always applied stone cold objectivity to every gun I owned and viewed them as working tools- little machines with a purpose- rather than as magical voo-doo medicine sent from the gods that make smoke and thunder and ward off evil spirits, which seems to be the common mentality amongst about 90% of gun nuts, given the worship I see them receive.

My dad was a Glock guy, until he bought a Beretta. He still likes his Glock for his carry piece because of it's size, but for pure shooting enjoyment he prefers the Beretta.
I've always wanted to try a 10mm but never had a chance to yet. Everything I've read about the cartridge leads me to believe I'll eventually own one though.
I guess I've never really viewed my weapons based on whether I was gonna be rolling around in the muck with them because, realistically, I know what I'll be doing with them. I'll be at a range, trying to put lead on paper. I've seen tons of the AK vs. AR arguments as well as fired an AK and I'm gonna have to say that I'm definitely a fan of the AR's over the AK's. The AK was probably one of the most difficult to shoot due to weight and bulk. It just wasn't a comfortable weapon to operate.
I love laughing at those guys with the 2000 dollar rifle that can't hit shit with it. My theory is that it's almost like TMMS. They've got this cash, want a rifle, so they skip over a solid open sight rifle and go straight to a tricked out show piece before they have even a basic grasp on the fundamentals of shooting.

So I live in a smaller community about an hour from San Francisco. We have very little crime and never have a ghetto bird flying around, until last night. I am get home at about 6:30 and there is a Chopper spolighting around our neighborhood and the water (we live on the CA delta). This is unusual so I call the sheriffs to find out what is going on, all they will tell me is they are searching for someone who got away from them. Out here the birds aren't pulled out for the hell of it, whoever is running did something fairly serious. So I lock all the doors and windows and turn on all the lights in the yard so he does not want to hide there and then I go to grab my Smith & Wesson 9MM (back story: My dad was a cop this was his service gun for years until I bouth him a p226 then he gave me this) Its an OK gun, serviceable, I would rather have the Sig though. I keep it unloaded in my closet up high (don't have a safe although I have been looking for one, I also have an old springfield 22, a 357 and I am getting a shotgun.

I go to grab the box of ammo I keep by the gun to load my clips, just in case. And idiot me, I forgot that I shot all my ammo camping a couple months back, and never restocked, so here I am in the rare ****ing situation that I may possibly need my gun and I have no ammo!!

So needless to say I am going to go buy some hollow points today.

Guns I want

Sig Saur P226 .40
Sig Saur 22 Mosquito
Shotgun (not sure what yet)

Thats about it for now, eventually maybe replace my 9mm w/ Sig and get a Kimber .45. My uncle works for Sig, so I can get somewhat of a deal.

I'm not a big gun guy myself. They are fun to shoot off, like adult fire works, but I'm in the bottom 20 percent when it comes to hand/eye co-ordination, so I'm pretty useless when it comes to shooting them. And I lean pretty heavy when it comes to "utility" rather than collecting useless shit that looks shiny and impressive. I used to be, In my more flaming liberal days, strongly in favor of gun control. Now, not so much. Since I don't use or collect them I wouldn't really care if they got banned, but I also don't have a hard on to ban them. The only gun I will probably ever own is the shot gun I will use to blow my head with, when/if I get diagnosed with an incurable disease.

I'm a Sig guy myself. Never really liked the triggers on any GLOCK I've shot.

P-226 .357sig also have a .40 barrel.
P-220 Combat with threaded barrel coming in a week or so (suppressor will follow several months later)

RRA Tactical Entry M-4gery with an Eotech 511.

Stoeger coach gun. (side by side double barrel shotgun)

Looking to pick up a couple of more M-4 variants including one in .458 SOCOM (for big bore fun) and at least 3-4 different AK variants before end of 08' on the off chance of the Hildebeast getting elected and another AWB coming about. Plenty of other ones that I want on the the list as well. Along with needing to get my CCW here in the next month or so.

whoa, old school. one of my friend's dad is a cop and used to swear by a 10mm, and he's killed a couple of guys with it, so he knows what he's talking about. he's switched to .40 now, though I'm not sure why. my glock is a .40 and I love it. I have many others, which I'm sure I will discuss in here at some point, but not now. now is the time for the A in the ATF.

All the .40 is is a shortened 10MM.
It's only intent is so the launching platform can have a smaller frame; also, less recoil so the gun can be issued to women, affirmative action hires and limp-wristed homosexuals.

A properly loaded 10MM (like, Doubletaps) is worlds away from a .40 and with 16 of them in a Glock 20, there isn't much debate as to teh winnar.

LAWLS. if i had to grab a gun everytime a ghetto bird flew over, it'd be easier just to keep in my waistline.

maybe a little over reaction?

okay question,
my recently departed grandfather left behind a pilot's .45 from WWII. it probably hasn't been fired in 30+ years. if i wanted to start using it again, should i get a home cleaning kit and get to it or have it super professionally serviced. i've never even fired a hand gun, but i'm pretty mechanically inclined. how big of an undertaking would it be?

Easy. Turn the barrel bushing, out comes the spring and plug.
Mag release pops out to the side disengaging the link pin, the top half slides off the frame. You don't want to detail strip it for a simple cleaning or if you aren't experienced with it, but the 1911 was made to be completely stripped and reassembled using no tools (you can see how this is done online) so after 30 years, maybe.

The price of USGI 1911's have gone completely gay in teh last decade or so.
There's a pretty strong chance that you won't want to actually shoot that thing as a hobby. Occasionally, fine, but it's probably worth four or five new Springfield commercial 'Mil-Spec' 1911's, potentially more.

So is the Beretta 9mm a good gun?

I'm heading out for some AT in the ATF, and if it's a good gun, some ATF in a few weeks.

Yeah, they're really good.
Some Internet Gun Board theorists don't like them (for whatever reason; web board theorists are usually tards anyway), but the 92FS I had was probably the only 9MM I've ever owned that was as reliable as my G17 or CZ75.

I this thread.

For a shotgun for home protection, hard to beat a Mossberg 500AT or a Remington 870.

For the person who asked why I carry one? #1 because I can!!! I am an 11 year Navy vet, work in a computer store with certain days we have lots of cash. Why do you think you see pawn shop employees carry guns. Cash = Dumbasses who want it. I am not going to give up my hard earned $$ to some crack head.

With all my time in the Navy I have shot a lot of guns that are not available on the street, but was never a Glock man. The grip is just a little too wide for my hands to shoot comfortably. But I do love making the magic thunderstick go boom!!!!

El Guapo, do you ever fish the Delta? I used to catch bass & sturgeon up there when I lived in Frisco (87-91).

Absolutely. Plus, the ammo is fairly economical which makes for great plinkibility.

But if you're looking at a Beretta I like my 96FS. Not as good penetration from the round but it's got more stopping power which I like on the off chance that'll I have to actually use it. Not a lot of crackheads wear body armor.

just started carrying a gun

after i got robbed at knifepoint on my pizza delivery job, i got my concealed weapons permit

got one of my greatgrandfather's old policemans .38 specials.......vn gun...shoots like a pro


fits niely too

I am an awful shot. Can't hit the ground with a shotgun, just never learned the right way and now I shake too much from all the cigars.

So last summer I went to Bass lake in Cal for a guys weekend, water-skiing, poker, cigars, shooting and golf.

We go shooting and they hand me a 9mm, I walk out real careful and aim and gently pull the trigger, and nothing. So I figure the safety is on, so I release the lever near my thunb, and the magazine falls into the dirt.

I'll stick with grenades, much more user friendly.

thats a really neat way to get yourself either shot or into a whole lot of trouble.

im all for people having guns and whatnot, but stuff like this is just crazy. have you considered the consequences for shooting someone? you do realize you can kill them right? you are going to take somebody's life becouse they rob you for $50 and some pizza?



now this kind of scares me. not becouse you hear that somebody got pulled over and ran from the cops in your neighborhood and get scared and run for your gun. no, that kind of paranoia is just sad. what scares me is that you seem geniunly excited about the prospect of getting to use your gun to shoot somebody.




exactly. you really think you need to own a gun to feel safe? i've lived in new york city for 24 years and i've had a gun pulled on me once, and you know what? i was probably asking for it. if you want to decrease your likelihood of dying stop smoking and eating like a pig and maybe go for a walk once in a while. and if you want to keep your kids safe, you can try making them do this too.


again, don't get me wrong. i think that people should be able to own guns. i think its 100% necessary that people be allowed to own guns. but sheesh, you sure are an awfully paranoid lot.

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sorry to hijack your thread hank. ill try to contribute something a little more on topic.

so i've never shot a gun in my life and would like to. where would i go for this sort of thing? would i look up a shooting range in the phone book and give them a call? is that like a normal thing they do, have classes about this sort of thing?

no...after i was robbed withoutANY protection at all, if it happens again..i would like a little protection at least..and most ppl today wouldbt be swayed by a 2 inch pocktnkife i belive

i took a class..i was trained in the rules of personal protection..dont worry

so you're going to pull out a gun if somebody tires to rob you?

if somone tries to rob me...and pulls a gun out...i will reciprocate

you do know that when that happens one of you is going to get shot right?

im a good shot

When I lived in the hood I bought my shotgun because I was nervous about break ins and home invasion (because the person who owned the house before me was robbed a couple times) but that never happened. It was sure nice to be able to pull it out of the closet when the black kids started going after each other with hatchets on my front lawn, and when the cab driver got shot two doors down though. Pretty nice to have it when my girlfriends ex-husband called me up drunk one night and started spouting off about bringing everyone from the bar to my front door to lynch me too. He never showed up, but the 12 gauge came out of the closet.

"In case" is a perfectly good reason for owning a gun. I own more than one because I'm a hopeless acquirer of things I don't need, kind of the same way I own 4 guitars even though I don't really play anymore. If I make it through my entire existence on this planet without ever having to point one of my guns at another person, I'll feel wonderful about that, I'll feel like things went the way they're supposed to go.

well put

i agree. having a gun in your home "in case" is a completely reasonable thing to do. knowing that somebody may have committed a crime around your house and that the police are looking for him and running to the closet to grab your gun becouse you might get to use it is paranoid.

and chrozzo, i understand that getting robbed is a really nasty thing, and that it makes you feel really small and helpless, but really, shooting somebody or getting shot over a few dollars is not cool.

i dont want to get into a big thing about it here......but there are some neighborhoods in my town that was less than nice...so i want a little protection, since the closest police stationis about 10 block away. I understand the ramifications of premature firearm use, and I belive I am mature enough to avoid those.

Belive me, i am smart anough NOT to pulla gun o a knife wielding moron, but if I am in our town ghetto, and he pulls a gun on me....chances are I will match the action and fire...i would be well within myrights

You live in New York. Come out to the real world. You will learn.