bdc30
Monday, October 22nd, 2007, 9:47 PM
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
ConverterStack sizes:UTG: $19.45
UTG+1: $29.30
CO: $19.15
Hero: $40.45
SB: $22
BB: $25
Pre-flop: (
6 players) Hero is Button with 4

A

3

8
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls,
SB raises to $1, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.
Flop: 5

6

2

(
$6, 6 players)
SB checks,
BB bets $6,
UTG raises all-in $18.45,
2 folds,
Hero raises all-in $39.45,
Metternich
Monday, October 22nd, 2007, 10:10 PM
nope, standard. One of the probably has a FD though, and might call. That would be frustrating.
BudBundy
Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 5:29 AM
I don't mind folding this.
jmbreslin
Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 6:25 AM
Fold? Hero has flopped the nut straight with a draw to a higher nut straight on an unpaired board. The push charges both the set and FD (assuming that's what's being played) the maximum to make their better hands.
simo_8ball
Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 6:30 AM
I don't hate a fold, but with the gutshot and bdnfd I think we have enough redraw equity to get allin.
BudBundy
Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 6:48 AM
This is actually a part of the endless discussion "Folding the nuts in PLO". If you think there are spots in PLO where you should fold the nuts , this is it. If you don't , call and pray.
jmbreslin
Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 11:12 AM
But why would you fold the nuts here? Aren't you a decent fav over both a set and flush draw here, assuming that's what villains hold? Or am I messing up my Omaha odds?
simo_8ball
Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 11:19 AM
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 8:12 PM)

But why would you fold the nuts here? Aren't you a decent fav over both a set and flush draw here, assuming that's what villains hold? Or am I messing up my Omaha odds?
Ever considered that we could be drawing to a split pot at best? That's the problem.
http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/sim...amp;h4=&h5=Or how about this:
http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/sim...amp;h4=&h5=
jmbreslin
Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 12:54 PM
Wow, thanks. I clearly don't have a good handle on Omaha odds yet. I'm still thinking in terms of NLHE. Against a set or FD heads-up, Hero is a fav here - but against two villains, at least one of which could have a combo draw, Hero's hand isn't looking so good. Even against a straight set and flush draw, Hero's hand is behind the set.
Okay, I don't mind the fold after all...
BudBundy
Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 1:04 PM
Omaha odds are difficult to figure out.
I play Omaha for months and i still keep propokertools.com open while playing to check the odds after big pots.
bdc30
Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 2:17 PM
I thought very hard about folding, but with the redraws, I called...I was up against the flush draw and the set, both of which hit...I couldn't win the main pot or the side pot. Standard. (neither of them had the same straight though, so I wasn't splitting when I called)
iggymcfly
Wednesday, October 24th, 2007, 3:38 PM
This is super-standard. The times you need to think about folding the nuts are when you're:
1) significantly more than 4 PSB deep on the flop
2) up against good opponents
You really have no idea what you're average 0.10/0.25 donk has here. I've been playing a lot of 0.25/0.50 lately and you see people in BB's spot show up with two pair all the time, probably calling an all-in if they have top two.
jmbreslin
Wednesday, October 24th, 2007, 4:51 PM
What's "PSB"?
JCH22
Wednesday, October 24th, 2007, 4:55 PM
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Wednesday, October 24th, 2007, 5:51 PM)

What's "PSB"?
I assume it's Pot Sized Bets.
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