If those other teams are so good, why are they all racking up 3 losses or more each?

Could it be what DDIDM said... parity.


Thanks for answering my question about why all the SEC defense are sucking though.

ummmm.....parity is a good thing......it makes for a stronger conference........If I was a Big 10 fan I would be embarrassed by some of your arguments and comments, among other things



When did I ever argue that the SEC has the best defenses this year???? It is hard to play the top offenses every week though.



I guess you don't want to bring up the "Strength of Schedule" comparisons........i don't blame you

Fuck all this arguing over which conference is better bullshit. Why not band together and kill one major NCAA official a week until a playoff system is implemented.

college football playoffs would be the absolute nuts........it will happen i think before i leave this planet

I see you conveniently ducked the post where DDIDM showed you how the big-10 has been owning the SEC in bowl games. Yea you got Florida over OSU, the other two big-10/sec bowl games were won by the Big-10 last year.

Maybe you missed out on the SEC discussion last year, everyone was "SEC has by far the best defenses in the country, we can shut down anyone etc etc" yet I don't see a SEC team this year that can stop anyone from dropping 30 on them.

lol at ducking posts........that is hilarious.........also lol at sec being 1-2 vs. big10 in bowl games last year having any relevance at all in the big picture...........if you seriously think the Big 10 is a better conf than the SEC then so be it, you're just wrong and deep down you know it, you just won't admit it......and why should you and why do I care? lol

anyway, i leave you with this for now.......the ALL TIME record of SEC vs. Big10 is 63-45-2 in favor of the SEC obv.......kinda hard to argue that fact.....


and you still havent given me a weak response to the 'schedule strength' comparisons.....you can look it up yourself, here is the link http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc...nterstitialskip

enjoy!

peace

I'm not disagreeing on SOS, I've been saying OSU hasn't played anyone all year in the OSU thread, go look.

Why does Ohio State get punished for the mediocrity of the teams they are FORCED to play in the Big Ten. Is it the fault of the OSU football team that Michigan lost to a 1-AA team? Is it the fault of the OSU football team that Wisconsin has fallen flat on their face after a great season last year?
Schedules are made 3-4 years in advance. The last couple years we played a home/home with Texas. Next year starts a home/home with USC, and the year after that begins a home/home with Miami (Fl) that was scheduled after the '02 title game.
Schedule strength is one of the most overvalued stats when it comes to college football.

OSU fans are defintley the dumbest in the country
Schedule strength is important..shouldnt Hawaii be number 2 then since they are undefeated..no they play sh1tty teams

Ok smart guy. I didn't say it wasn't important, I said it was an overrated stat that fans(typically SEC ones) use to justify why their teams lose 3-4 games in a season. Look at the history of Big Ten vs SEC in bowl games and see who has the edge.
Granted, Florida played an absolutely awesome game vs OSU in the title game last year. This OSU team is not that one, just as the Florida team from this year is not last years.
Are the polls and the BCS perfect? Of course not. But stop using schedule strength as your ONLY argument on how good a team is.

uuuhhhh..............who exactly is using this as their only argument?
yeah maybe the first quote up top is correct, lol

Huh? I'm saying what you do on the field is what counts. Schedule strength is important but not the only factor. Obv you glossed over my statement and chose to pick out only the things you could "zing" me with by pulling one statement out of the entire thing.
Please

lol, not glossing over anything bucknut........

Not sure why you OSU fans are getting all excited about being undefeated after you saw what happened last year. IF you beat UM, and that is a big IF........you better pray that your BCS Bowl opponent is not from the SEC.......you don't want to be embarrassed again do you???

The problem with SOS is that the SEC's is way inflated to begin with.

For instance TN is ranked right now... can someone tell me how? They got spanked by a middle of the pack Pac-10 team that isn't ranked and absolutely destroyed by a team ranked all of 4-5 spots in front of them, or did people forget what Florida did to them? When middle of the pack SEC teams get artificially inflated like this it boosts the SOS of every SEC team. TN isn't the only ranked SEC team that has no business in the top 25.

Because CBS wants as many ranked teams as possible for their telecasts.

Why do you not understand that last years team and this years team are totally different? This isn't the NFL where teams remain the same year after year.
Based on the performance of LSU in their last few games, I'll take my chances. I hardly think the LSU offense would fair well against one of the top 5 defenses in the country.

I don't think it has anything to really do with CBS but the sports media in general has always had an East Coast bias and ever since Auburn got hosed out of getting in the national title game a few years ago in favor of Oklahoma the sports media has been trying to make it up to the SEC. It makes for fun debate and upsetting that we can't get a playoff system in place.

Tennessee is def overrated this year IMO, even though they killed UGA earlier.......UT is not by any means a bad team......just an average SEC team this year





dude you are making yourself look like a little bitch.......maybe one day when the Big 10 has MULTIPLE GAMES A WEEKEND WORTH TELEVISING they will get a good TV deal........geeeeeeez you have no clue

The Big-10 has it's own network.

Just sayin.

exactly......and i'm pretty sure it is only shown in the Big10 regions......outside OSU and Mich, and maybe PSU, there is not much national hype for Big 10 football........which is why they are never on ESPN primetime, unless it is one of the mentioned teams......

Wow, you have to resort to calling me a little bitch. Okay, lets look at the FACTS. CBS has a CONTRACT with the SEC to televise games on a weekly basis. From a purely marketing point of view, they want the teams to be ranked so they can ADVERTISE a "Top 25 SEC Showdown" between the two teams. The Big Ten Network actually has a nationwide audience because of the spread out alumni from all teams in the Big Ten. The fact that YOU don't enjoy watching Big Ten football does not mean there is not a national appeal. This is the common response of the self absorbed SEC fan who thinks no other teams in the nation can compete with them. How many teams from the SEC have won the BCS title since the inception? Florida. That's one. LSU won a share with USC, but otherwise they have not produced a national title in the last ten years. Based on the BCS, which I admit is flawed, the Big 12 has been most dominant.

the Big10 wouldn't have had to create a 'Big 10 Network' if their games had a nationwide demand............are you telling me they wouldn't prefer being on ESPN every Saturday night?

The Big Ten Network is a tiered cable or satellite selection. If there was no demand how would they make money?
How many teams can compete each Sat night on ESPN?

You realize how much more they are making by having their own network?

have no clue, but I know its not cheap to run and operate a network............so I don't see it being that big of a difference actually

This thread just makes me laugh...if your saying how is Tenn. ranked I want to know how Michigan is ranked! They lost to a Div 1AA team! Thats 100x worse the Tenn. loss to Florida and whoever else they lost to. Talk about wanting ranked teams for TV ratings, it will be that way for the OSU/Mich game (yeah I know its still for the Big 10 champ even if Mich wasnt ranked though). But saying the SEC is overrated is terrible, the only reason we dont have an undefeated team is because every team is pretty good. You try playing a good team every single week, you would be exhausted.
/rant

This is the horrible excuse that every single SEC fan spouts and is exactly what I am talking about. When a SEC team loses to another it's because the conference is so deep and everyone is talented even when those teams get their asses kicked playing very average OOC opponents. When it happens in any other conference it's a bad loss and that team sucks. This is what causes the artificial inflation of the SEC SOS.

Yea Michigan lost to the defending 1-AA champs because of a few freakish special team plays and in the first game where they were replacing 8 starters on defense. They play that game today, and Michigan is up by 4+TD's by halftime. The loss to Oregon is a legit ass kicking from a team that should be #2 in the country right now. After that, Michigan has won 8 in a row including beating two teams that were ranked at the time including one at #5. And this is with two of the top offensive players not playing every game and not being 100% when they have played.

I'm a fan of the SEC and have always fought for its "strength", but I gotta say...this really seems like a down year.

Let me soften that a little bit by saying that I think the SEC has consistently been one of the strongest (if not the strongest) conferences over the past several decades.

I'd kinda forgotten about this thread..and I think it's great that I re-open it to see this post.. Good read, Doyle.

Oh, okay..

And obv there's a bit of a drop off after Ohio State and Michigan, umm..they're the two best teams in the league.. There's a bit of a drop off in the SEC after LSU and Florida..?

Also, for having no parity..it's really odd that the the Big Ten has *ten* teams eligible for bowl games.

SEC also has ten teams...fwiw.

(The bowl system is pretty stupid.)

SEC and the Big-10 have the most by a clear margin. I completely agree with your second point.

Good read

Yep and yep.

oh by the way Knowshon Moreno kinda owns...........GO DAWGS

you always come back and save Jadaki..........

He does a better job of speaking southern slang...

What about Tenn., Georgia, Kentucky and South Carolina?
Much better then the next top 4 in the Big 10

and quoted from ESPN

Georgia is proving to be pretty good this year.
TN is still overrated, they have 1 good win and 3 horrible loses.
Kentucky just lost what... 2 of the last 3 games?
And SC just got bitch slapped again for the 4th week in a row and will probably lose to Clemson in their last game.

Yep..

Lets see here:
Ohio St. vs. LSU
Michigan vs. Florida
Illinois vs. Georgia
Penn St. vs. Tenn
Wisconsin vs. Kentucky (toss up)
Iowa vs. Auburn
Purdue vs. Alabama (toss up)
Northwestern vs. South Carolina
Indiana vs. Arkansas
Mich. St. vs. Vandy (toss up)
Minn. vs. Miss.


IMO
How do u think it would play out?

LSU
Florida..Probably a lot closer than you think.
Depends on what Illinois team shows up, but probably Georgia..
Penn State
Wisconsin
Auburn
Purdue
Northwestern
Indiana
Michigan State
Southeast Polk High School..both of those teams are God Awful..guess I'd probably have to pick Ole Miss..I like Coach Orgeron.

I think 5 of those games are basically a toss up.

We could do this again next year, and the Big Ten might win 7 of 'em, though..all relative. I think I also put Wisconsin ahead of Penn State.

Indiana would get crushed by Arkansas. I go to Indiana so I'm all for them, but there's now way. Our rush defense is horrible, McFadden would put up 673 yards rushing against us. That is all.

Arkansas is bad..real bad.

And they have no one that can cover Hardy.

Also, Indiana's only giving up 3.8 a rush..they're not *that* bad.

I think Florida beats Michigan because Tebow exploits Michigan's biggest weakness, mobile QB's. Otherwise I agree with everything DDIDM said. Your matchups are funny though, did you decide them based on where you think those teams stand in each conference or by current rankings?

I went partially but what ESPN had when comparing the SEC to the PAC 10 and partially based on their confrence records so yeah u can change the matchups around
but yeah most of those games will be very good games depending on which team shows up ect. but I think the top of the SEC is better then the top of the Big 10

This debate is certainly an interesting one, and everyone has their own opinions, but which schedule would you rather play:

#1: At large, At large, At large, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, Miss St, and pick 3 from: Florida, Tennessee, SC, Vanderbilt, Georgia, and Kentucky, and, if you're any good, Florida/Tenn/Georgia again.

#2: At large, At large, At large, Ohio St, NWestern, Purdue, Penn St, Mich St, Minn, and pick 2 from: Iowa, Illinois, Mich., Wisc.

I know which one I'd pick on a year in year out basis. I'd much rather be Indiana with that hypothetical schedule than Ole Miss with theirs. The mere fact that every big 10 team save Indiana has had outstanding years in the last 10 tells you that on any given year a team can pull it out in the big 10. However, if you're Kentucky, SC, Vandy, Ole Miss, or Miss St., with that gauntlet you have to run you have no chance of winning your division, much less the conference.

Year to year it might change, but overall, on a consistent basis, the SEC is the strongest conference IMO.

All I have to add to this thread is...

LA Monroe Warhawks

Whereas the Big 10 doesn't have any losses to mediocre teams: IA v. W. Mich last weekend, oh, and a little school called Appalachian St earlier this year to name just 2.

I kind of like LAMonroe winning that game. Nick Saban is a jackoff.

You don't see Big-10 coaches comparing it to 9/11 or Pearl Harbor though. My point being if the SEC was nearly as good as advertised in here there is zero chance this loss would have happened. Pretty funny that they lost to Louisiana Monroe by the same amount that they lost to LSU. Louisiana Monroe did hold them to less points though...

You're not going to find arguments from other SECers that this was anything other than ridiculous...and in fact, a number of Bammers admit that also.