Dictius
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:50 AM
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed)
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CO ($9.15)
Button ($12.75)
SB ($7.60)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($9.75)
Hero ($13.30)
Preflop: Hero is MP with

,

.
UTG calls $0.10,
Hero raises to $0.45,
4 folds, UTG calls $0.35.
Flop: ($1.05)

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(2 players)UTG checks,
Hero bets $0.7,
UTG raises to $5,
Hero raises to $10??
Final Pot: $19.66
Temporary Nuts
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 5:19 AM
If you're going to raise shove is your only option.
How loose is utg? The only hand I'd be worried about here is J-10. We're ahead of everything else, especially A-Q and the FD.
Dictius
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 5:22 AM
He is 77/11/1.25 but only over 11 hands so it doesnt mean much.
No_Neck
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 6:06 AM
QUOTE (Dictius @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 9:22 AM)

He is 77/11/1.25 but only over 11 hands so it doesnt mean much.
then shove don't min raise.
dms26
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 6:30 AM
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 10:06 AM)

then shove don't min raise.
he's betting enough to put villain all-in
mtdesmoines
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 6:34 AM
QUOTE (Dictius @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:50 AM)

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed)
Full Tilt Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)
CO ($9.15)
Button ($12.75)
SB ($7.60)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($9.75)
Hero ($13.30)
Preflop: Hero is MP with

,

.
UTG calls $0.10,
Hero raises to $0.45,
4 folds, UTG calls $0.35.
Flop: ($1.05)

,

,
(2 players)UTG checks,
Hero bets $0.7,
UTG raises to $5,
Hero raises to $10??
Final Pot: $19.66
If you're going with the hand, push instead of min-raise to 10. I rarely like going down swinging with bottom two though on this board. Too too much out there waiting for you. Bottom two is more likely good on a Q46 flop.
Zach6668
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 11:16 AM
Learn to read HH's people.
No_Neck
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 11:24 AM
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:16 PM)

Learn to read HH's people.

it's the math that gives me problems..
Temporary Nuts
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 11:57 AM
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:16 PM)

Learn to read HH's people.

Regardless of whether or not he's putting the villain all in with a min-raise, he should still shove. Min-raises are saved for super sexy special moments, and bottom 2 is not one of them
Spence
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:12 PM
How it's played I get it all in as well. That raise doesn't scream JT.
NoSup4U
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:39 PM
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 12:57 PM)

Regardless of whether or not he's putting the villain all in with a min-raise, he should still shove. Min-raises are saved for super sexy special moments, and bottom 2 is not one of them

I'm not sure what this means. Is there some psychological reason you want him to push here instead of min raise? (just trying to understand why it matters)
OP, nice hand. Get it all in, assume he limp called with AA. If he has JT, oh well. Not much you can do here.
Mark
Dictius
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 4:39 PM
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Wednesday, October 10th, 2007, 5:57 AM)

Regardless of whether or not he's putting the villain all in with a min-raise, he should still shove. Min-raises are saved for super sexy special moments, and bottom 2 is not one of them

Huh? It doesn't matter if I minraise or shove, all the money goes is?
Betting $5 into $1.7 seems like he is trying to get me to fold right? The most likely hand I put him on was overcards + flushdraw or a weak Q with a flush draw.
I thought for a while about JT but decided that it was unlikely, but possible. The bet seemed too big to be JT.
mtdesmoines
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 6:11 PM
QUOTE (NoSup4U @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:39 PM)

I'm not sure what this means. Is there some psychological reason you want him to push here instead of min raise? (just trying to understand why it matters)
OP, nice hand. Get it all in, assume he limp called with AA. If he has JT, oh well. Not much you can do here.
Mark
Because there's only $3 difference between a min-raise and a shove, I think.
Temporary Nuts
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 7:05 PM
Well I made people's head's explode... I think my work in this thread is complete
whiterice714
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 8:32 PM
sure, i run into JT (also worst case scenarios: Q9s/Q8s posibilities, although unlikely since we have 8 & 9) here a good amount... but i also run into QJ / QT / KQ(? depends... some players raise this UTG, others limp it) here alot as well....
this is usually not A Q, but again, i've seen players limp AK / AQ before...
the guy just bet like 60% of his stack as a raise, i believe if you're thinking of continuing on w/ this hand it's got to get in the middle right now... that's where it's gonna end up if hero flats this reraise anyways... villain's shoving like 120% of turn cards if hero flats this... might as well stick it in now...
i probably pay this off & just ship it in right here...
AbsolutKnuts
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 9:30 PM
I would put him on top pr with flush draw. Hard to get away from this, i'd raise him all-in and hope he doesn't outdraw me.
DrawingDeadInDM
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 10:59 PM
QUOTE (AbsolutKnuts @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 9:30 PM)

I would put him on top pr with flush draw..
Based on what?
cwik
Wednesday, October 10th, 2007, 12:41 AM
QUOTE (NoSup4U @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 4:39 PM)

I'm not sure what this means. Is there some psychological reason you want him to push here instead of min raise? (just trying to understand why it matters)
OP, nice hand. Get it all in, assume he limp called with AA. If he has JT, oh well. Not much you can do here.
Mark
lol, implied sw.
Temporary Nuts
Wednesday, October 10th, 2007, 5:29 AM
QUOTE (AbsolutKnuts @ Wednesday, October 10th, 2007, 1:30 AM)

I put him on a hand I can beat every time because that way I can justify going OMG 2 PAIR ALL EEEEEEN
FYP
Dictius
Wednesday, October 10th, 2007, 5:39 PM
The guy called and had Q8, so I was drawing pretty thin. I was hoping he was over valuing top pair and trying to fold out any draws with his over bet or playing some flush or combo draw fast hoping top pair would fold.
Calling is not an option as all the money would be going in on the turn if I just called, so it's either a raise all in or fold.
Acid_Knight
Thursday, October 11th, 2007, 10:30 AM
When he raises that much, this is an easy shove becuase he'll show up with a draw a TON of the time here.
Acid_Knight
Thursday, October 11th, 2007, 10:32 AM
QUOTE (Dictius @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 6:22 AM)

He is 77/11/1.25 but only over 11 hands so it doesnt mean much.
Even though ti's only over 11 hands, a number as high as 77% VPIP still means something. If it were closer to 40 or even 50%, I'd say that he was probably just on a nice little rush. Playing 8 of 11 hands is pretty loose.
Danny Dingleberry
Thursday, October 11th, 2007, 5:24 PM
q8, the q stands for quality starting hand.
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