RGreen
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:04 PM
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed)
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BB ($57)
UTG ($99)
UTG+1 ($111.60)
MP1 ($114.95)
MP2 ($98.50)
Hero ($124.05)
Button ($35)
SB ($43.65)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 3

, 3

.
1 fold,
UTG+1 raises to $3,
2 folds, Hero calls $3,
1 fold, SB calls $2.50,
1 fold.
Flop: ($10) 2

, K

, 3
(3 players)SB checks, UTG+1 checks,
Hero bets $5, SB calls $5, UTG+1 calls $5.
Turn: ($25) Q
(3 players)SB checks, UTG+1 checks,
Hero bets $14, SB folds,
UTG+1 raises to $103.6 (All-In),
Any comments about anything appreciated.
HubDub04
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:10 PM
99% of the time NO.
But there is a 1% where you know the player/have a read on him, and have a strong feeling he has a set of kings.
staggo
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:13 PM
Fold 0% of the time in a .50/1 game
Roo6339
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:23 PM
I think he has KQ a lot in this spot, though QQ is very possible too. There's no way you can fold this though.
RGreen
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:38 PM
I knew he loved his hand and I even thought he played it like KK, but still I've seen people do things that didnt seem plausible so I couldn't make myself fold.
Hero calls $89.60.
River: ($0) 3
(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $232.20
He showed KK
Was just wondering if I played this hand profitably long term. I have been set under set a lot lately so I'm wondering if there people out there who are folding these on the flop/safe turn.
RGreen
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:39 PM
Sorry
Metternich
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:41 PM
I never fold sets unless there's some overpowering indication that I'm beat, like 4 to a straight on the board.
mtdesmoines
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:47 PM
QUOTE (RGreen @ Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:04 PM)

Any comments about anything appreciated.
No ... I don't think so. There's two hands that beat you and neither one of them should be panicking about anything. This is usually KQ.
Villain played this like crap.
KoRnholio
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 7:13 PM
Villain didn't play it that badly. No sense blowing people off their hands with top set on a K32 rainbow board. Turn puts some very unlikely draws out there, but the Hero has shown that he will likely bet again. The push is a little overkill, but will draw curious calls a lot from worse hands. Possibly even hands like AK.
MinhLyFan
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 8:29 PM
hmmm I am not as optimistic about my set of 3s in this spot, especially if this player is at all decent. The open pre flop check on such a ragged flop always has me weary of my hands, especially when the turn card is an under and my opp moves it in. I think you'll see way more sets played like this than ak or kq. Why would the villain just go nuts for 100 bb on a bluff in this weird spot??
AAsnake88
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 4:48 AM
At .50/1.00 this is AA, AK, KQ, 22 as easily as it is KK or QQ.
Ship the chips in, you will profit in the long run.
psujohn
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 5:04 AM
If the guy is a frequent c-bettor then then raise pf, check flop line is about 90% a set. It's called the OMGIFLOPPEDASETIHAVETOSLOWPLAY complex. It's a typically stupid line that you see a lot at low stakes. On this hand it's paired with the OHNOTHERESAFLUSHDRAWIMINTROUBLE ridiculous turn overbet.
Really everything about this hand screams that villain is a bad player with KK. Still I can't fold the turn. I'm not sure if that's a leak or not. It's always a good idea to have rivering quads as a backup plan.
Reads are helpful here. If villain is generally aggressive post flop after a flop raise then this is rarely AA, AK, or KQ. He'd bet all of those on the flop. If villain is "tricky" then those hands become more likely.
mtdesmoines
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 6:46 AM
QUOTE (psujohn @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 5:04 AM)

If the guy is a frequent c-bettor then then raise pf, check flop line is about 90% a set. It's called the OMGIFLOPPEDASETIHAVETOSLOWPLAY complex. It's a typically stupid line that you see a lot at low stakes. On this hand it's paired with the OHNOTHERESAFLUSHDRAWIMINTROUBLE ridiculous turn overbet.
Really everything about this hand screams that villain is a bad player with KK. Still I can't fold the turn. I'm not sure if that's a leak or not. It's always a good idea to have rivering quads as a backup plan.
Reads are helpful here. If villain is generally aggressive post flop after a flop raise then this is rarely AA, AK, or KQ. He'd bet all of those on the flop. If villain is "tricky" then those hands become more likely.
LOL ///
Roberts2003
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 10:22 AM
QUOTE (MinhLyFan @ Monday, October 8th, 2007, 8:29 PM)

hmmm I am not as optimistic about my set of 3s in this spot, especially if this player is at all decent. The open pre flop check on such a ragged flop always has me weary of my hands, especially when the turn card is an under and my opp moves it in. I think you'll see way more sets played like this than ak or kq. Why would the villain just go nuts for 100 bb on a bluff in this weird spot??
because people suck
ActionFalko
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:21 PM
Set over Set doesn't exist. Having said that, I never fold a set, if a set is the winning hand. You can fold sets on drawsheavy boards.
But keep in mind: Set over Set doesn't exist. It's just a ferritale.
Zach6668
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:23 PM
I'd be far more inclined to fold a set on a dry board than on a drawy board, unless you meant the draws already got there...
Snamuh
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:32 PM
I break my wrist calling this. Then I break my fingers punching a wall if I'm beaten (sw).
ActionFalko
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 4:13 PM
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 3:23 PM)

, unless you meant the draws already got there...
yepp, like 4 to a straight and so on.
whiterice714
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 8:13 PM
QUOTE (ActionFalko @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 4:21 PM)

Set over Set doesn't exist. Having said that, I never fold a set, if a set is the winning hand. You can fold sets on drawsheavy boards.
But keep in mind: Set over Set doesn't exist. It's just a ferritale.
really?
wish you told the FTP software designers that little rule of thumb before i got stacked TWICE today by this mythical occurance...
cwik
Wednesday, October 10th, 2007, 1:06 AM
If an opponent has a set here, it is going to be very rare that they over shove the turn, as they never want to miss value with such a big hand. Especially after he slow played the flop.
Temporary Nuts
Wednesday, October 10th, 2007, 5:32 AM
QUOTE (psujohn @ Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 9:04 AM)

If the guy is a frequent c-bettor then then raise pf, check flop line is about 90% a set. It's called the OMGIFLOPPEDASETIHAVETOSLOWPLAY complex. It's a typically stupid line that you see a lot at low stakes. On this hand it's paired with the OHNOTHERESAFLUSHDRAWIMINTROUBLE ridiculous turn overbet.
Really everything about this hand screams that villain is a bad player with KK. Still I can't fold the turn. I'm not sure if that's a leak or not. It's always a good idea to have rivering quads as a backup plan.
Reads are helpful here. If villain is generally aggressive post flop after a flop raise then this is rarely AA, AK, or KQ. He'd bet all of those on the flop. If villain is "tricky" then those hands become more likely.
... best... post... ever...
SUCCEED
Lip Is Fat
Wednesday, October 10th, 2007, 8:01 PM
QUOTE (staggo @ Monday, October 8th, 2007, 4:13 PM)

Fold 0% of the time in a .50/1 game
Ya i agree there is a chance that set over set is possible but not likley i dont see a fold being the right move there.
IAGTTAYM
Thursday, October 11th, 2007, 9:59 AM
This is a insta call for 110bbs...
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