Ok, so the villain here is running at like 72/12/.75 and has been shoving with an alarming frequency and not getting called.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($53.85)
UTG ($174.65)
Hero ($116.35)
CO ($46.65)
Button ($394.40)
SB ($149.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($13.50) A, 8, 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($13.50) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $8, Hero calls $8, CO raises to $42.65, Button folds, Hero?

I'm getting like 2-1 here on the turn.

I just don't see the point in calling here. You're a better player than me though.

That's what I said, but I'm getting an AIM schooling right now!

He has a pretty low AF, so even though his range is huge preflop, his low AF makes me think he has QQ beat when he raises.

durrrrrrr his AF is high for a 72 VPIP!!!

Hey, jackass, sign on AIM.

I make continuation bet on flop and take it from there. Considering the amount of action on the turn i don't like your 2/1 much. For me this is an easy fold.

You're really getting about 1.5:1, and even though I feel that a large portion of the time this is a draw, I really don't think I'd be calling unless I felt the guy is just utterly retarded.

If I had both the Queen of hearts and Queen of clubs maybe it would be more marginal if the guy is a maniac, but you don't even have either of the queens to kill flush draw outs. I think I'd be dumping this out of a fear of a naked ace or a random 8 always.

There's $13 in the pot, then $8 3 ways, making $37 in the pot plus his $34 raise and I gotta call like $34.

It's 2.08:1, minus rake of course.

Woops, I thought you bet the $8 and didn't see the call in between.

SO MUCH FOR BROWSING A POST!

Sounds like you're WA/WB getting 2:1..pretty standard call if I'm understanding the situation right, though, I don't pretend to know what those fancy numbers mean.

I guess this whole hand isn't terribly interesting. Those fancy numbers mean that he's playing like 71% of the hands and is fairly aggressive.

I just give too much credit thinking "he can't check trips here cause of all the draws and expect to get a c/r in cause there's only one guy left to bet" but when they're not thinking like that anyway, it doesn't matter.

So, I thought it'd be either a draw or a full house and not much in between, so I called. Turned out he had J8o. I guess this should've been folded, but he seemed like enough of a donkey to make this profitable, but maybe not.

Post the other hand where the board was J-J-J-9.

Most(nearly all) of my experience is live/casino play, so I'm pretty sure I'm familiar with the type of player you're talking about..and I think he turns over QhJh and similar hands enough times that the 2:1 makes it profitable.

I am still kind of on the fence about it. I obv thought it wasn't that bad just because it seemed too weird for him to check trips on the turn there, or an ace even, given how many draws were out there. It turned out I was wrong, but yeah, he'll show up with a draw sometimes, but I'm not convinced it'll be enough to turn a profit here.

Kinda hard tellin', really.. I mean, when I was reading it, I was thinking, "WTF do we beat?" And then I kinda remember my own experiences and how many guys show me their TT here and are like, "I KNEW YOU HAD NOTHING LOLOLOLOL"

So, I dunno.. I think you can pick worse spots.

At the risk of looking stupid, I have to say I would fold here without much thought. A check-raise on the turn almost always beats top pair. I've already folded and started reading FCP before I start considering the villain's stats.

I've never gotten comfortable coming to conclusions based on AF, because it lumps together people that fold a lot with people that bet & raise a lot. Plus there's the question of including or excluding the preflop action.

Did the button's reputation play into this? How aggressive is he?

I fold here, even if they are maniacs. There is an overpair, and we are totally out of position.

You are going to be in much better spots than this one later on in the session.

Call, he's got King high with no draw...

and catching his king on the river obviously

One hand that makes a lot of sense is 66 for the CO.

I can see him coming in preflop, and checking the ace to the button who will probably bet (but doesn't), checking when he fills his hand on the turn as nobody has made any moves at this pot and the ace is out there. The button leads on the turn because he has been checked to twice and the CO thinking there is a bet and a call ahead of him decides to push as there is $30 in the pot already and it is likely one of you will call.