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No_Neck
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.40
UTG+1: $14
CO: $38.95
Button: $51.75
SB: $69.10
Hero: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif
4 folds, SB raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $4, SB calls.

Flop: A icon_suit_club.gif 4 icon_suit_heart.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif ($8, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $13, Hero calls.

Turn: A icon_suit_heart.gif ($34, 2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero raises all-in $33, SB calls.

River: 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($100, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $100)

villian is 28/15/7 after 32 hands

i havne't really seen to many of his hands unfortunately.
No_Neck
also notice it is BvB
danc1984
I know its not a large enough sample but wow that agg factor is high. I play it the same and just hope its not AK.
Temporary Nuts
Aaaand.... at what point can you play this hand any differently?

I guess you could threebet preflop or something.

Donk betting into him is wonderful on the turn btw smile.gif.
No_Neck
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 8:25 PM) *
Donk betting into him is wonderful on the turn btw smile.gif.



if you are in the SB?
Dictius
Will this guy play any ace or does he fold weak aces from the SB? If it's folded around, most players will raise from the SB with any ace.

44, 66 and AK are definitely in his range but I think this is most likely another Ace.

What do people think the really weak bet of $8 on the turn means?
No_Neck
QUOTE (Dictius @ Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 8:29 PM) *
Will this guy play any ace or does he fold weak aces from the SB? If it's folded around, most players will raise from the SB with any ace.

What do people think the really weak bet of $8 on the turn means?


i have no idea
Temporary Nuts
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 8:27 PM) *
if you are in the SB?


... and Temp Nuts regains retard status with a vengeance... oops

Yeah... umm hmmm.... well he's got to have an ace/boat if he bet into you on the turn, unless it's exactly 7-5 clubs.... but 7-5 clubs should be re-raising the flop if he's aggro... geeze...

Eh, it's BvB i still play it the same and pray he has a weak ace. You can't exactly fold and on the turn he's told you he's not folding. Since the chips are destined to get in this pot just put him in now.
AimHigher
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 1:14 AM) *
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.40
UTG+1: $14
CO: $38.95
Button: $51.75
SB: $69.10
Hero: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif
4 folds, SB raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $4, SB calls.

Flop: A icon_suit_club.gif 4 icon_suit_heart.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif ($8, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $13, Hero calls.

Turn: A icon_suit_heart.gif ($34, 2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero raises all-in $33, SB calls.

River: 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($100, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $100)

villian is 28/15/7 after 32 hands

i havne't really seen to many of his hands unfortunately.


On the turn
A4, A6, AK, 66 & 44 have you beat (24 hands).
A2, A3, A5, A7, A8, A9, AT, AJ (32 hands) are behind.

He is aggressive, it's blind vs blind and from his perspective you are playing back at him. Most of the time you're ahead.

Unlucky if he spiked that 8 on you.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 4:14 PM) *
Poker Stars


If it's online play, I usually I see villain turn over A8 here. You're probably luckier.
NoBBiR
It's standard imo.

I don't get his turn $8 into 30ish though. Probably had a underfull, 44 or 66, but what can you do. After the turn comes off, you're going to war 100%.
Craigdog
Against this player I don't see how you could have played it any differently, I take it he had a house with 44 or 66?
Andromeda
granted I'm still learning but my thoughts are he called your reraise preflop so he's at least holding an ace. Probably checks the flop to see if his two pair are good, you only raised half the pot which is a good feeler bet to see where you're at and probably thinks he can put you off your hand. Ace on the turn and he's probably got you beat, so he puts out a weak raise (which would seem fishy to me) and you go all in. You miss the river, I think he had you beat with the ace on the turn...I think if you went with a pot size bet after the flop, he probably would have folded since it would've been aces with a low end pair, your outs are higher, esp. if the board paired, it would've counterfeited his small pair.

maybe I'm thinking too much?

so how'd it turn out?
Acid_Knight
This is obviously standard. I just say something like "f*cking PokerStars" to myself when he turns over the low set.

There's really no other way to go about this hand.
KramitDaToad
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 5:36 AM) *
It's standard imo.

I don't get his turn $8 into 30ish though. Probably had a underfull, 44 or 66, but what can you do. After the turn comes off, you're going to war 100%.


It's usually a player trying to get correct odds for his flush draw
No_Neck
he had KK... ummm yeah. He went on to berate my call preflop with AQs... I love donkeys
Andromeda
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 10:31 AM) *
he has KK... ummm yeah. He went on to berate my call preflop with AQs... I love donkeys



wait, wait...he complained about you calling with AQ? wtf...he's the one who should be worried, esp. seeing an ace on the flop, it's the one card you need to beat him and you got it.


as much as I am a donkey, I'm a donkey for being inexperienced, not for being a rude bastard.
Andromeda
QUOTE (Andromeda @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 8:58 AM) *
granted I'm still learning but my thoughts are he called your reraise preflop so he's at least holding an ace. Probably checks the flop to see if his two pair are good, you only raised half the pot which is a good feeler bet to see where you're at and probably thinks he can put you off your hand. Ace on the turn and he's probably got you beat, so he puts out a weak raise (which would seem fishy to me) and you go all in. You miss the river, I think he had you beat with the ace on the turn...I think if you went with a pot size bet after the flop, he probably would have folded since it would've been aces with a low end pair, your outs are higher, esp. if the board paired, it would've counterfeited his small pair.




curious what anyone thinks of my thought process above as a new player.
No_Neck
QUOTE (Andromeda @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 10:33 AM) *
wait, wait...he complained about you calling with AQ? wtf...he's the one who should be worried, esp. seeing an ace on the flop, it's the one card you need to beat him and you got it.
as much as I am a donkey, I'm a donkey for being inexperienced, not for being a rude bastard.


people are odd... *shrug*
No_Neck
QUOTE (Andromeda @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 10:38 AM) *
curious what anyone thinks of my thought process above as a new player.


I think it is a little weak
Andromeda
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 10:49 AM) *
I think it is a little weak



care to elaborate? you mean I play too conservative/always put an opponent on a better hand?
No_Neck
QUOTE (Andromeda @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 10:51 AM) *
care to elaborate? you mean I play too conservative/always put an opponent on a better hand?

Ace on the turn and he's probably got you beat


that part, seems a little weak, also don't put people on an ace just because they called your raise. But fear the Ace high boards... I dunno it is complicated. At least you are thinking, that beats 90% of players.
Andromeda
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 10:58 AM) *
that part, seems a little weak, also don't put people on an ace just because they called your raise. But fear the Ace high boards... I dunno it is complicated. At least you are thinking, that beats 90% of players.




book learnin has done me good icon_dance.gif


I hear you though, I'm just playing the hand in my head and trying to put my own read on it. thanks for the feedback though. you know if you and I were playing that, I would've sucked out on the river on you (again)
No_Neck
QUOTE (Andromeda @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 11:01 AM) *
book learnin has done me good icon_dance.gif
I hear you though, I'm just playing the hand in my head and trying to put my own read on it. thanks for the feedback though. you know if you and I were playing that, I would've sucked out on the river on you (again)


sorry about the padres... that must have been rough.
Temporary Nuts
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 10:31 AM) *
he had KK... ummm yeah. He went on to berate his call preflop with AQs... I love donkeys


FYP

see I'm not the only one who thought you were in the SB icon_dance.gif
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 7:49 AM) *
I think it is a little weak

Agreed.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 6:31 AM) *
he had KK... ummm yeah. He went on to berate my call preflop with AQs... I love donkeys


Standard.
whiterice714
QUOTE (Andromeda @ Friday, October 5th, 2007, 8:01 AM) *
book learnin has done me good icon_dance.gif




great as long as you realize book info is a good FOUNDATION from which to base your play...





dont spend your life trying to emulate the underlying principles in "SUPERSYSTEM"


gotta find your own style of play, what works for you... what you're experience has taught you over the course of time...



also, you'll learn 10x more in here / 2+2 / FTR / any legitimate poker forum than you ever will by reading books...


of course, there are donkeys who post information you should disregard, & i'm probably one of them =X
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