Canadian Gothic complete roster VS Mustangs complete roster.

Most NHL points at the end of the season wins.

Amount: $5000


Canadian Gothic Roster

Francois Bouillon - Montreal Canadiens 2 goals + 6 assists = 8 points
Steve Eminger - Washington Capitals 2 assists = 2 points
Milan Jurcina - Washington Capitals 1 goal + 8 assists = 9 points
Zbynek Michalek - Phoenix Coyotes 4 goals + 13 assists = 17 points
Ladislav Smid - Edmonton Oilers 4 assists = 4 points
Henrik Tallinder - Buffalo Sabres 1 goal + 17 assists = 18 points
Chris Pronger - Anaheim Ducks 12 goals + 31 assists = 43 points
Mike Mottau - New Jersey Devils 4 goals + 13 assists = 17 points
Jonathan Ericsson - Detroit Red Wings 1 goal = 1 point
Tyler Arnason - Colorado Avalanche 10 goals + 21 assists = 31 points
P.J. Axelsson - Boston Bruins 13 goals + 16 assists = 29 points
Kyle Calder - Los Angeles Kings 7 goals + 13 assists = 20 points
Matt Foy - Minnesota Wild 4 goals + 4 assists = 8 points
Sergei Brylin - New Jersey Devils 6 goals + 10 assists = 16 points
Matthew Lombardi - Calgary Flames 14 goals + 22 assists = 36 points
Scott Walker - Carolina Hurricanes 14 goals + 18 assists = 32 points
Mikael Samuelsson - Detroit Red Wings 11 goals + 29 assists = 40 points
Ruslan Fedotenko - New York Islanders 16 goals + 17 assists = 33 points
Darcy Tucker - Toronto Maple Leafs 18 goals + 16 assists = 34 points
Todd White - Atlanta Thrashers 14 goals + 23 assists = 37 points
Mike York - Phoenix Coyotes 6 goals + 8 assists = 14 points
David Vyborny - Columbus Blue Jackets 7 goals + 19 assists = 26 points
Rod Brind'Amour - Carolina Hurricanes 19 goals + 32 assists = 51 points
Guillaume Latendresse - Montreal Canadiens 16 goals + 11 assists = 27 points
Milan Lucic - Boston Bruins 8 goals + 19 assists = 27 points
Chris Conner - Dallas Stars 3 goals + 2 assists = 5 points
Matthieu Perreault - Washington Capitals
Kevin Klein - Nashville Predators 2 assists = 2 points
Brendan Mikkelson - Anaheim Ducks
Matt Niskanen - Dallas Stars 7 goals + 19 assists = 26 points
Andrej Sekera - Buffalo Sabres 2 goals + 6 assists = 8 points
Oskars Bartulis - Philadelphia Flyers
Raymond Macias - Colorado Avalanche
Vladimir Mihalik - Tampa Bay Lightning
Brendan Smith - Detroit Red Wings
Troy Brouwer - Chicago Blackhawks 1 assist = 1 point
Robbie Earl - Toronto Maple Leafs 1 assist = 1 point
Alexei Kaigorodov - Phoenix Coyotes
Bryan Little - Atlanta Thrashers 6 goals + 10 assists = 16 points
Rob Schremp - Edmonton Oilers
Artem Anisimov - New York Rangers
Luca Cunti - Tampa Bay Lightning
Jonathan Filewich - Pittsburgh Penguins
Maxim Mayorov - Columbus Blue Jackets
Harrison Reed - Carolina Hurricanes



Mustangs

Josh Gorges - Montreal Canadiens 9 assists = 9 points
Scott Hannan - Colorado Avalanche 2 goals + 19 assists = 21 points
Chris Chelios - Detroit Red Wings 3 goals + 9 assists = 12 points
Petteri Nummelin - Minnesota Wild 2 goals + 7 assists = 9 points
Brooks Orpik - Pittsburgh Penguins 1 goal + 10 assists = 11 points
Martin Skoula - Minnesota Wild 3 goals + 8 assists = 11 points
David Tanabe - Carolina Hurricanes 1 goal + 2 assists = 3 points
Robyn Regehr - Calgary Flames 5 goals + 15 assists = 20 points
Radek Bonk - Nashville Predators 14 goals + 15 assists = 29 points
Daniel Cleary - Detroit Red Wings 20 goals + 22 assists = 42 points
Pascal Dupuis - Pittsburgh Penguins 12 goals + 15 assists = 27 points
Blair Jones - Tampa Bay Lightning
Paul Kariya - St. Louis Blues 16 goals + 49 assists = 65 points
Chuck Kobasew - Boston Bruins 22 goals + 17 assists = 39 points
Maxim Lapierre - Montreal Canadiens 7 goals + 11 assists = 18 point
David Moss - Calgary Flames 4 goals + 7 assists = 11 points
Mats Sundin - Toronto Maple Leafs 32 goals + 45 assists = 77 points
Maxime Talbot - Pittsburgh Penguins 12 goals + 14 assists = 26 points
Stephane Vellieux - Minnesota Wild 11 goals + 7 assists = 18 points
Maxim Afinogenov - Buffalo Sabres 10 goals + 18 assists = 28 points
Sean Avery - New York Rangers 15 goals + 18 assists = 33 points
Brian Gionta - New Jersey Devils 22 goals + 31 assists = 53 points
Dustin Penner - Edmonton Oilers 23 goals + 24 assists = 47 points
Matt Greene - Edmonton Oilers 1 assist = 1 point
Pierre Hedin - Toronto Maple Leafs
Stefan Kronvall - Toronto Maple Leafs
Anton Strallman - Toronto Maple Leafs 3 goals + 6 assists = 9 points
Justin Abdelkader - Detroit Red Wings
Milan Bartovic - Chicago Blackhawks
Kris Beech - Pittsburgh Penguins 6 goals + 5 assists = 11 points
Blair Betts - New York Rangers 2 goals + 5 assists = 7 points
Jonas Johansson - Washington Capitals
Shawn Matthias - Florida Panthers 2 goals = 2 points
James Neal - Dallas Stars
Jonus Nordqvist - Chicago Blackhawks
Justin Papineau - St. Louis Blues
Scott Parse - Los Angeles Kings
Igor Radolov - Chicago Blackhawks
Brandon Reid - Vancouver Canucks
Wayne Simmonds - Los Angeles Kings
Michal Sivek - Pittsburgh Penguins
Bill Sweat - Chicago Blackhawks
Jeremy Williams - Toronto Maple Leafs 2 goals = 2 points
Scott Niedermayer - Anaheim Ducks 8 goals + 17 assists = 25 points
Andy Wozniewski - Toronto Maple Leafs 2 goals + 7 assists = 9 points
David Krejci - Boston Bruins 6 goals + 21 assists = 27 points
Kyle Wellwood - Toronto Maple Leafs 8 goals + 13 assists = 21 points


SCORE

Canadian Gothic 639
Mustangs 723

$5000 real dollars?

I think I can sum this up in two words...

Holy Shit.

Holy Fucking Shit.

Awesome bet.

No matter who wins, it'll just be tracking this all. Bravo both of you.

Holy fack.

You guys have lost it.

Yes we are pretty sick...but its a long season.$5000 over the course of the season isnt that much ......And for the integrity of the pool we have kept the rosters frozen at opening night...

Should be fun....

Sticky, please?

I would love to know how many points you guys estimate you'll end up with. Seems to me, that with such a large bet and no points given either way, you both think the other is way off.

Considering the edge DM has in all of this other bets, this bet seems way too close to bet on . I haven't really checked out the lower end guys, so I could be way off. Considering Monkey is making $25 bets where he has a huge edge, it seems odd for him to make a massive bet where he doesn't seem to have an edge.

I'm sure dale has estimated the point totals for every player on either roster, but Serge definitely has the edge at the top end. It'll be interesting to see if DM's depth can make up the ground.

Cant believe the stakes wow.

Are you not counting the first 2 anaheim games? Pronger had an assist in game 1.

A little independent analysis on this, with no offense intended to either GM. Some of my projections are probably high, some are probably low, but I think when all is said and done that this outline will be pretty close to the actual outcome.


Canadian Gothic Roster

Viable Fantasy Contributors (everyday contributors):
Chris Pronger - Anaheim Ducks (Top 4 Defense, 55-65 points projected)
Tyler Arnason - Colorado Avalanche 1 assist = 1 point (Top 9 forward, 40-50 points projected)
Kyle Calder - Los Angeles Kings (Top 9 forward, 40-50 points projected)
Matthew Lombardi - Calgary Flames (Top 6 forward, could see as many as 75 points)
Mikael Samuelsson - Detroit Red Wings (Top 6 forward, 45-55 points projected)
Todd White - Atlanta Thrashers (Top 6 forward, could see as many as 75 points)
Mike York - Phoenix Coyotes (Top 6 forward, 45-55 points projected)
David Vyborny - Columbus Blue Jackets (Top 6 forward, 55-65 points projected)
Rod Brind'Amour - Carolina Hurricanes 1 assist = 1 point (Top 6 forward, could see as many as 75 points)
Darcy Tucker - Toronto Maple Leafs (Top 6 forward, 55-65 points projected)
Bryan Little - Atlanta Thrashers (Top 6 forward, may see as many as 50 NHL points)

Total Projected Contribution - 630 points

Depth Fantasy Contributors (Everyday players, but limited fantasy contributions):
P.J. Axelsson - Boston Bruins (2nd to 3rd line winger, 25-35 points projected)
Matt Foy - Minnesota Wild (Depth winger, less than 20 points projected)
Sergei Brylin - New Jersey Devils (Depth forward, 35-45 points projected)
Scott Walker - Carolina Hurricanes 1 assist = 1 point (2nd to 3rd line winger, 35-45 points projected)
Ruslan Fedotenko - New York Islanders (Depth winger, 35-45 points projected)
Guillaume Latendresse - Montreal Canadiens (Depth forward, 30-40 points projected)
Francois Bouillon - Montreal Canadiens (Depth Defense, little to no PP)
Steve Eminger - Washington Capitals (Depth Defense)
Milan Jurcina - Washington Capitals (Top 4 Defense)
Zbynek Michalek - Phoenix Coyotes (Top 4 Defense)
Ladislav Smid - Edmonton Oilers (Currently AHL, Depth Defense)
Henrik Tallinder - Buffalo Sabres (Depth Defense, little to no PP)

Total Projected Contribution - 265 Points

Prospects (May see spot NHL duty, cannot be counted on as contributors)
Mike Mottau - New Jersey Devils (Depth Defense, historically worthless from a fantasy outlook)
Jonathan Ericsson - Detroit Red Wings (AHL defenseman, little to no chance at seeing NHL ice this season)
Milan Lucic - Boston Bruins (Depth forward, 25-35 points projected)
Chris Conner - Dallas Stars (Sent down to the AHL by Dallas, may see as many as 15 points)
Matthieu Perreault - Washington Capitals (Not expected to see any NHL action this season)
Kevin Klein - Nashville Predators (Injured, will start the year in the AHL, may see 10 NHL points)
Brendan Mikkelson - Anaheim Ducks (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Matt Niskanen - Dallas Stars (Prospect, made the opening night roster due to injury, may see as many as 15 NHL points)
Andrej Sekera - Buffalo Sabres (Sent down by Buffalo, will be the 7th defenseman for the Sabres, may see 15 NHL points)
Oskars Bartulis - Philadelphia Flyers (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Raymond Macias - Colorado Avalanche (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Vladimir Mihalik - Tampa Bay Lightning (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Brendan Smith - Detroit Red Wings (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Troy Brouwer - Chicago Blackhawks (Doubtful he will see more than 10 NHL games, maybe 5 NHL points)
Robbie Earl - Toronto Maple Leafs (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Alexei Kaigorodov - Phoenix Coyotes (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Rob Schremp - Edmonton Oilers (Sent to the AHL, might see 15 NHL games and 8 NHL points)
Artem Anisimov - New York Rangers (Cut by NY, but may see as many as 20 NHL games and 10 NHL points)
Luca Cunti - Tampa Bay Lightning (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Jonathan Filewich - Pittsburgh Penguins (Cut by Pittsburgh, may see as many as 20 NHL games and 7 NHL points)
Maxim Mayorov - Columbus Blue Jackets (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Harrison Reed - Carolina Hurricanes (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)

Total Projected Contribution - 100 points from the group, likely less.

Canadian Gothic Total NHL Points - Roughly 1000 from the combined roster


Mustangs Roster

Viable Fantasy Contributors (everyday contributors):

Daniel Cleary - Detroit Red Wings (Top 6 forward, 45-55 points projected)
Maxim Afinogenov - Buffalo Sabres (Top 6 forward, 75-85 points projected)
Sean Avery - New York Rangers (Top 6 forward, 45-55 points projected)
Brian Gionta - New Jersey Devils (Top 6 forward, 65-75 points projected)
Dustin Penner - Anaheim Ducks (Top 6 forward, 50-60 points projected)
Paul Kariya - St. Louis Blues (Top 6 forward, 70-80 points projected)
Mats Sundin - Toronto Maple Leafs 2 assists = 2 points (Top 6 forward, 75-85 points projected)
Kyle Wellwood - Toronto Maple Leafs (Top 6 forward, but currently injured. May see as many as 45 NHL points)

Total Projected Contribution - 500 points

Depth Fantasy Contributors (Everyday players, but limited fantasy contributions):

Josh Gorges - Montreal Canadiens (Depth defense, 5-10 points projected)
Scott Hannan - Colorado Avalanche (Top 4 defense, 25-35 points projected)
Chris Chelios - Detroit Red Wings (Depth defense, 5-15 points projected)
Petteri Nummelin - Minnesota Wild (Depth defense, 15-25 points projected)
Brooks Orpik - Pittsburgh Penguins (Depth defense, 5-15 points projected)
Martin Skoula - Minnesota Wild (Top 4 defense, 15-25 points projected)
Robyn Regehr - Calgary Flames (Top 4 defenseman, 25-35 points projected)
Radek Bonk - Nashville Predators (Depth forward, 20-30 points projected)
Pascal Dupuis - Atlanta Thrashers (Depth forward, 20-30 points projected)
Blair Jones - Tampa Bay Lightning (Depth forward, 20-30 points projected)
Chuck Kobasew - Boston Bruins (Depth forward, 35-45 points projected)
Maxim Lapierre - Montreal Canadiens (Depth forward, 20-30 points projected)
David Moss - Calgary Flames (Depth forward, 35-45 points projected)
Maxime Talbot - Pittsburgh Penguins (Depth forward, 20-30 points projected)
Stephane Vellieux - Minnesota Wild (Depth forward, 15-25 points projected)
Andy Wozniewski - Toronto Maple Leafs 2 assists = 2 points (Depth defenseman, may see as many as 20 NHL points)
David Krejci - Boston Bruins (Depth forward, 25-35 points projected)
Blair Betts - New York Rangers (Depth forward, 10-20 points projected)
Matt Greene - Edmonton Oilers (Depth defense, 10-20 points projected)
Scott Niedermayer - Anaheim Ducks (Not on the current roster, may see as many as 30 NHL points assuming he comes back at all)

Total Projected Contribution (Not counting Niedermayer) - 425 Points

Prospects (May see spot NHL duty, cannot be counted on as contributors)

David Tanabe - UFA (Not currently owned by an NHL team, may see as many as 15 NHL points if he catches on somewhere)
Pierre Hedin - Toronto Maple Leafs (Not currently signed to an NHL team)
Stefan Kronvall - Toronto Maple Leafs (Depth defense, may see 5 NHL points)
Anton STrallman - Toronto Maple Leafs (Prospect, may see 10 NHL points)
Justin Abdelkader - Detroit Red Wings (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Milan Bartovic - Chicago Blackhawks (Not currently signed to an NHL team)
Kris Beech - Columbus Blue Jackets (Waived by Columbus, will play in the AHL to start the season, may see 15 NHL points)
Jonas Johansson - Washington Capitals (Not curently signed to an NHL team)
Shawn Matthias - Florida Panthers (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
James Neal - Dallas Stars (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Jonus Nordqvist - Chicago Blackhawks (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Justin Papineau - St. Louis Blues (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Scott Parse - Los Angeles Kings (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Igor Radolov - Chicago Blackhawks (Not curently signed to an NHL team)
Brandon Reid - Vancouver Canucks (Not curently signed to an NHL team)
Wayne Simmons - Los Angeles Kings (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Michal Sivek - Pittsburgh Penguins (Not curently signed to an NHL team)
Bill Sweat - Chicago Blackhawks (Prospect, not expected to see NHL ice this season)
Jeremy Williams - Toronto Maple Leafs (Prospect, may see as many as 15 NHL points this season)

Total Projected Contribution - Call it 35 points from the group, likely less.

Mustangs Total NHL Points - Roughly 960 Points from the combined roster


Result:

This is a remarkably even contest, and will likely come right down to the last weeks of the season to settle the outcome. Serge's team has more high end (70+ points) offensive talent, which offsets the fact that he's carrying a lot of dead weight in the form of prospects that never panned out and raw rookies not quite ready for the NHL. Dale's strength is in team depth, very few top-end stars but also very little dead weight. This will be a lot of fun to watch all season long.

Oh yeah, thanks!

this is awesome. balls out y'all!

I think injuries will play a big part of this..but my team is so good I am not worried

This is going pretty much as expected with most of Serge's points coming from the same few players.

Last time I checked its still October 7...and most teams have 80 more games to go....

If you believe that to be true, serge, then why are you chirping about Mats Sundin's scoring totals?

I do not think this is a real bet.

Boy, Christmas must have sucked at your house from an early age. "I do not think there is a real santa claus".

Well, lust just say it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't real. It does not seem like a wager DM or Serge would make. No points given either way, no minimum games played, plus the large bet. Good entertainment though if it is real.

Injury Update

Canadian Gothic
Steve Eminger (D) - Ankle injury, day-to-day - IR
Raymond Macias (D) - Undisclosed, sidelined indefinitely - IR
Kevin Klein (D) - Shoulder injury, day-to-day - IR
Zbynek Michalek (D) - Broken hand, sidelined indefinitely

Mustangs
Sean Avery (W/C) -Separated right shoulder, early November
Kyle Wellwood (C/W) - Groin, sidelined indefinitely - IR
Scott Niedermayer (D) - Suspended
David Moss (RW) - Upper body injury, day-to-day - IR

Wow, this is a sick bet. No matter who wins, you guys are both ballers! Or is it ballas. Or should I even pluralize it? Baller? Balla? I don't know which sounds coolest. But you guys are both which ever the coolest one is.

Dale,

Paul Kariya has 3 assists...not 2

Mustangs are down by 10...Look for the Mustangs to have a huge week and I am predicting a 24 pt lead by Halloween...45 pt lead by christmas...

and a 121 pt win by the end of the year...I am so excited about this bet..Still havent told my wife though....I plan on breaking it to her when I am up by 25 pts...

Sooooooo.... never.

and the lead gets smaller...Dale I will let you out for $4500 today if you say yes before 7pm eastern...

THe mustangs are off to such a slow start and I am still only 6 pts behind..this can become ugly for Dale in a hurry..Do you think Gionta,Afinogenov and Penner will be stuck at 2 pts all year??

and do you think Fedotenko will score a 100 pts..NOT...

What a bet I made...Thank god for this as it will pay off my other ones.

Your team sucks and it will still suck in April when you're telling us how bad your luck was.

Ok last chance..I will let you out for $4700...final offer

Tonight

Canadian Gothic
Tucker - 1 assist
Pronger 3 assists


Mustangs
Cleary - 1 assist

This is soooooo getting paid off in Monopoly money.

Dale didnt update it yesterday..since i got points

Why isn't this in DMs sig or your prop update thread serge?

You should keep adding new score boards with the date, so we can see a history of the scores.

Just a suggestion...

I didnt find it necessary since it has its own thread..

I can add it though

I got an idea... DM, we trade teams for the season... split the 5 grand!



I could probably just make a trade to you for Hossa and Heatley for the season. Both of them will beat his whole team no problem! (and Hossa's injured!!!)

very funny ....its original rosters..no trades allowed..

Mr Swacker, i be careful about slanderous comments about the Mustangs...My lawyers are watching

I have no room in my sig. My prop bet with XXEddie isn't in my sig either.

will you update from last night?We are getting so used to daily updates.

I will outscore your complete roster also.

Done.

Two points each last night.

Me: Lombardi-A and Calder-G

You: Moss-A and Hannan-A

nice...I feel a huge night for me tonite...The Pens devils game looks like a 6-4 job with Gionta getting 3 pts...Also Paul Kariya called me today and said and I quote" Serge this might be a career night for me"..So I am thinking 5pts there..

this is so easy...

and the gap is 3..after the weekend Monkey boy should be conceeding ...

Here come the Mustangs...Dale is gonna cry soon...

and dont forget Orpik got an assist...this thing is done

Oh yeah, Orpik got an assist. That puts you...um...still 3 points back. Great weekend...you're STILL losing!

Ummm, do I read that correctly????



Do you really want to go down that road......all this time I thought you were a nice, smart level headed guy???? I thought this forum was all about bashing Serge???

Ok then...... suit yourself......