Seeking advice from the FCP Razz players out there on how I could of played this hand better. I feel good about part of my line, but I feel like something is missing I can't see. Part of is bad beat though, but the result to me is not the issue (although it sucked ass). But what I am curious about is HOW I could of avoided it/saved money from it (big part of Razz IMO is to stagnate losses)

I bet river as part defensive bet, part hoping he'll be dumb enough to fold, since I've already observed he'll call 4 bet cold with something that's NOT A23 (cause I have it, he has A48 lol).

Full Tilt Poker Game #3700940171: $2,000 Guarantee (27713750), Table 3 - 300/600 Ante 50 - Limit Razz - 22:08:57 ET - 2007/09/28
Seat 1: HuckleberrySeed (8,569)
Seat 2: Beringer (2,952)
Seat 3: girlypro (4,462)
Seat 4: BBBill_92679 (5,471)
Seat 5: ShizzMoney (3,686)
Seat 6: PoisonRatt (6,790)
Seat 7: MsTique95 (1,401)
Seat 8: ELM (2,159)
HuckleberrySeed antes 50
Beringer antes 50
girlypro antes 50
BBBill_92679 antes 50
ShizzMoney antes 50
PoisonRatt antes 50
MsTique95 antes 50
ELM antes 50
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to HuckleberrySeed [Js]
Dealt to Beringer [Qc]
Dealt to girlypro [5c]
Dealt to BBBill_92679 [5h]
Dealt to ShizzMoney [Ad 2s] [3c]
Dealt to PoisonRatt [As]
Dealt to MsTique95 [2c]
Dealt to ELM [Kc]
ELM is high with [Kc]
ELM brings in for 100
HuckleberrySeed folds
Beringer folds
girlypro folds
BBBill_92679 calls 100
ShizzMoney completes it to 300
PoisonRatt has 15 seconds left to act
PoisonRatt calls 300
MsTique95 raises to 600
ELM folds
BBBill_92679 folds
ShizzMoney raises to 900
PoisonRatt has 15 seconds left to act
PoisonRatt calls 600
MsTique95 raises to 1,200
ShizzMoney calls 300
PoisonRatt calls 300
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to ShizzMoney [Ad 2s 3c] [8h]
Dealt to PoisonRatt [As] [7c]
Dealt to MsTique95 [2c] [Jd]
ShizzMoney: lol look at this 'in hand
PoisonRatt checks
MsTique95 bets 151, and is all in
ShizzMoney raises to 451
PoisonRatt calls 451
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to ShizzMoney [Ad 2s 3c 8h] [Qh]
Dealt to PoisonRatt [As 7c] [Jc]
Dealt to MsTique95 [2c Jd] [9d]
PoisonRatt checks
ShizzMoney checks
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to ShizzMoney [Ad 2s 3c 8h Qh] [Ks]
Dealt to PoisonRatt [As 7c Jc] [Jh]
Dealt to MsTique95 [2c Jd 9d] [Kh]
ShizzMoney checks
PoisonRatt bets 600
ShizzMoney calls 600
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to ShizzMoney [Ad 2s 3c 8h Qh Ks] [9c]
ShizzMoney bets 600
PoisonRatt calls 600
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ShizzMoney shows [9c 2s 3c 8h Qh Ks Ad] 9,8,3,2,A
PoisonRatt shows [8c 4h As 7c Jc Jh 3h] 8,7,4,3,A
PoisonRatt wins the side pot (3,000) with 8,7,4,3,A
MsTique95 mucks
PoisonRatt wins the main pot (4,653) with 8,7,4,3,A
MsTique95 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,653 Main pot 4,653. Side pot 3,000. | Rake 0
Seat 1: HuckleberrySeed folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: Beringer folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: girlypro folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: BBBill_92679 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: ShizzMoney showed [9c 2s 3c 8h Qh Ks Ad] and lost with 9,8,3,2,A
Seat 6: PoisonRatt showed [8c 4h As 7c Jc Jh 3h] and won (7,653) with 8,7,4,3,A
Seat 7: MsTique95 mucked [4s 4d 2c Jd 9d Kh Ah] - J,9,4,2,A
Seat 8: ELM folded on 3rd St.

Wow. You run good like I do.

Don't blame villain for betting on 6th where he is ahead, I definitely check/call the river, because your opponent is drawing at a 7 low that you can't beat. He isn't folding a hand that beats 98 low, and he's raising you with anything that improved his hand and/or a bluff..

You're costing yourself a bet to gain information, which is silly. Also, if you check the river, you allow him to bluff the river with a hand worse than yours, which is where you can actually profit. The river gets bet anyways, but you might as well, be the check/caller to improve your chances of actually winning a bet on the river should 9-8 low be good.

Just an ugly spot. You started strong, and you ended up with a drawing hand, and one that was drawing to a low your opponent could shut out on the river anyways.

Definitely check/call the river, it's the only way to profit with the better hand. He's not calling a bet often enough if he missed his draw, unless you have seen evidence he's a weak, weak player.

Tournament - Razz (300/600), Ante 50, Bring-In 100 (converter)

Seat 1: 8,569
Seat 2: 2,952
Seat 3: 4,462
Seat 4: 5,471
Hero: 3,686
Seat 6: 6,790
Seat 7: 1,401
Seat 8: 2,159

3rd Street - (1.33 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx J ___folds
Seat 2: xx xx Q ___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 5 ___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 5 ___calls___folds
Hero: A 2 3 ___completes___raises___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A ___calls___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 2 ___raises___raises
Seat 8: xx xx K ___brings-in___folds

4th Street - (14.00 SB)

Hero: A 2 3 8 ___raises
Seat 6: xx xx A 7 ___checks___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 2 J ___bets 151 (all-in)

5th Street - (8.76 BB)

Hero: A 2 3 8 Q ___checks
Seat 6: xx xx A 7 J ___checks
Seat 7: xx xx 2 J 9 ___all-in

6th Street - (8.76 BB)

Hero: A 2 3 8 Q K ___checks___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A 7 J J ___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 2 J 9 K ___all-in

River - (10.76 BB)

Hero: A 2 3 8 Q K 9 ___bets
Seat 6: xx xx A 7 J J xx___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 2 J 9 K xx___all-in

Total pot: (12.76 BB - 7,653)

That better?

Now give me a sec to take a look... ya, what Cappy said. No point in betting the river - that's the thing with your best hand being obv in Razz a lot of the time. I'm not loving the bet on 4th either, but at that point you're probably still coin flipping.

bad raise on 4th. the 3bet/cap on 3rd means that you're both going to a 6 or better most of the time, so the 7 puts him ahead of you. beyond that, standard. villain should have raised 4th.

c/cing the end against an aggro villain is probably a better line than betting, but bet is fine against most players.

meh, i'm never a fan of betting a rough 9 on 7th. c/c is fine to me.

all said, the bet on 4th is a donkbet at best. it's not horrendous, but if you haven't already tipped off the strength of your downcards, you did with that bet. villain definitely didn't pair, so i don't know why you raise 4th, and you're basically getting the same effect by calling. you're not going to be able to isolate here.

Thanks for the conversion, Frez. For some reason, I couldn't make it look as good as you did with the suits and cards in tow.

As for the hand, yes, I was aggrodonkin' it on 4th street and beyond. My NLHE tourney instincts kind of took over here. "I have A23 mofo and I am not going to lose this god dmaned hand: CLICK BETBETBETBETBET!!!!!!1111"

Although I will say, I bet the rough 9 on 7th partly because I though I MIGHT have caught back up with the best hand (although highly unlikely as one pointed out, again aggrodonking), I MIGHT get him to fold (although not likely, but I've seen people make worse mistakes), and also because it was kind of like a defensive blocker bet because I would NOT have called a raise on the river.

I still have alot to learn about Razz and Razz tournies, although I have shown success at 15/30 cash and won a $24+2 118 Razz MTT last month. I appreciate the critizism and comments on the hand. I've learned alot. Thanks, guys!