Temporary Nuts
Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 6:59 PM
Hi, I have a min-raising problem. I do it a lot. Is this bad?
NoBBiR
Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 7:04 PM
Affirmative.
whiterice714
Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 7:22 PM
this isn't limit...
Cappy37
Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 8:18 PM
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 7:59 PM)

Hi, I have a min-raising problem. I do it a lot. Is this bad?
It's bad, unless your name is Zach.
mtdesmoines
Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 8:19 PM
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 6:59 PM)

Hi, I have a min-raising problem. I do it a lot. Is this bad?
It depends.
albasuna
Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 8:29 PM
In certain spots, I find it confuses opponents alot. Call me a donkey or whatever I like the min-raise.
mtdesmoines
Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 8:31 PM
QUOTE (albasuna @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 8:29 PM)

In certain spots, I find it confuses opponents alot. Call me a donkey or whatever I like the min-raise.
If I flop quads on the button, and there's 8 people in the pot, all giving action, I min-raise.
Temporary Nuts
Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 8:37 PM
Ever try min raising c-bets on the flop with a flush draw?
Hooray for free river cards
wsox8
Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 8:39 PM
no, never ever ever... unless you play limit, hehe
jonslow412
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 9:32 AM
Placing a minimum raise can be very effective in a few situations. Pre-flop, you can try to portray a huge hand, but at the same time, it usually gives good pot odds for other players to call. If you minimum raise with a huge hand, it can also be a great way to get a re-raise so you can push.
After the flop, turn, river... placing the minimum bet or raise is valuable at times, depending on how your opponent plays. If he/she is a solid player that plays good poker, you can sometimes you can make a mini-raise as a bluff and hope opponents put you on a big hand and a value raise.
In most cases, I'll either slow-play a hug hand or make a raise of about 3 times the original bet hoping my opponent has some sort of hand. In any case, it's never good to only minimum raise, but it can be a good tool ON OCCASION.
Acid_Knight
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 10:50 AM
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 9:37 PM)

Ever try min raising c-bets on the flop with a flush draw?
Hooray for free river cards
This isn't limit. If you do this in a LHE game, the worst that happens is the flop bettor 3 bets you and you have to pay more while still getting good odds to draw. In a NL game, if you min raise, the flop bettor can shove and force you to fold. This makes min raising with flush draws pretty bad becuase you just threw away twice as much money and didn't get to see a turn card.
Temporary Nuts
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 10:59 AM
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 2:50 PM)

This isn't limit. If you do this in a LHE game, the worst that happens is the flop bettor 3 bets you and you have to pay more while still getting good odds to draw. In a NL game, if you min raise, the flop bettor can shove and force you to fold. This makes min raising with flush draws pretty bad becuase you just threw away twice as much money and didn't get to see a turn card.
But if I'm min raising my sets too... hehehe

Did I mention I like to play with fire?
NoBBiR
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 11:26 AM
QUOTE (albasuna @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 8:29 PM)

In certain spots, I find it confuses opponents alot. Call me a donkey or whatever I like the min-raise.
Donkey.
Temporary Nuts
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 11:31 AM
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 3:26 PM)

Donkey.
Oooh oooh me next!
albasuna
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 12:13 PM
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 7:26 PM)

Donkey.
hater!
BudBundy
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 12:25 PM
I never do it and i get disgusted when i get min-raised but min-raising flop c-bet for a free river card makes sense. It feels wrong but it makes sense.
Can anyone explain why it is wrong?
Temporary Nuts
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 12:27 PM
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 4:25 PM)

I never do it and i get disgusted when i get min-raised but min-raising flop c-bet for a free river card makes sense. It feels wrong but it makes sense.
Can anyone explain why it is wrong?
Because players will catch on when you check the turn behind consistantly, and will power through your min-raise. This is why you have to mix this play in with really strong holdings that are capable of letting a free river card peel off.
It's not really good to do OOP.
CobaltBlue
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 12:45 PM
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 11:37 PM)

Ever try min raising c-bets on the flop with a flush draw?
Hooray for free river cards
My response is a combination of what you said and what Acid said. It'll probably work the first time to confuse your opponents, but after that, your opponents will catch on. It's fine if you're doing it with your big hands also, but you're probably losing value, not protecting your hand enough, and much more likely to be on the draw than the monster.
One of the oddest betting patterns in poker is when people consistently min-raise the flop and pot the turn.
mtdesmoines
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 12:48 PM
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 12:45 PM)

My response is a combination of what you said and what Acid said. It'll probably work the first time to confuse your opponents, but after that, your opponents will catch on. It's fine if you're doing it with your big hands also, but you're probably losing value, not protecting your hand enough, and much more likely to be on the draw than the monster.
One of the oddest betting patterns in NO LIMIT poker is when people consistently min-raise the flop and pot the turn.
Min-raising does nothing except give the villain a cheap look at cards that can beat you. it provides no real value when you have the lead in the hand, and it can get you stuck pretty hard when you're behind.
Min-raising is only good when you're sure that you're laying a cooler on someone.
No_Neck
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 1:03 PM
The only time a min raise is ok is if the min raise pot commits the opponent, like he raised HUGE and then you just min raise him so he will either have to push or fold. But that is pretty rare.
Canuckickstan
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 1:46 PM
I played an online cash game yesterday with a guy who minraised about 6-8 hands a rotation. It was anoying as hell and was working for him as he had about 4 times the buyin. I doubled off him once and tried to re-raise whenever I had position on him.
Min raising preflop is the ghey !!
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