My only read on the BB is that he plays cash games like tournaments. So do I gambool?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

UTG ($15.50)
MP ($37.80)
CO ($23.95)
Hero ($38)
SB ($21.80)
BB ($22.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K , K .
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.5, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.50) T , 5 , 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.5, SB folds, BB calls $2.50.

Turn: ($8.50) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $18.9, Hero .....

Preflop blows hard.

Checking the turn is definitely a decent option.

nothing i could possibly think of would sum that up in such an efficient manner....


*edit*
raise more pf...

i probably check behind on the turn hoping to get there...

what range do you assign to villain? put him on like J 10? flush?


he's calling PF w/ ATC after SB comes along...


he knows you dont have flush after you raise on the flop (technically i guess you could do that w/ fd, but let's assume he's not thinking you're that tricky)

idk... def raise more preflop... there's no value in a minraise preflop... unless you're trying to build a pot w/ like 5d6d & hoping to crush the flop... in which case you're still folding all non prime flops... yeah... make it $1+ & if they all fold BFD next hand...

Why the preflop minraise?

He literally could have anything here because of it.

I was mixing it up a bit and no one was calling anything over 75 cents. I was willing to easily give this hand up but my Kc hooked me. Can someone tell me what pot odds I'm getting?

The only good read I had on him was he plays like the chips are tournament chips. To me it seemed like he checked a flush on the turn, so I was just trying to figure out if he held the Ac.

slightly over 2:1

he bet the pot on the turn... after your $5 bet the pot becomes $13.50, he then makes it $18.90, $13.90 on top of your five...

the pot becomes ~$32.40 & the raise standing in front of you is $13.90

32.40/13.90 = 2.33:1

if you think he may have checked the flush then why didn't you check behind trying to get there? he could be c/r w/ 6c7c right there just as soon as he c/r w/ Acxc.... like i said i'm pretty sure he's not putting you on a flush here, unless you had like 10cxc or something... hence even if he has 2c3c he likely thinks he's good...


i dont see how betting gained you information to whether he had an Ac or not... all it did was put you in this spot: you're gettin shyttie odds w/ a shyttie draw w/ what used to be a powerful hand and are now faced w/ a tough decision...


and how do you mean he plays like they're tourney chips? he's super tight? he steals blinds? he protects his BB? he goes AIPF w/ AKsuited?


i'm still a fan of making it around $1 PF... the entire course of the hand would have likely been different...

up to the turn, i'm checking behind...


as played i fold to this reraise...

Can you explain that. How does somebody play, like the chips are tournament chips?

The way this plays out he could well have a flush draw on fllop. Raise more pre-flop.

This sucks. I "mix it up" with AA KK QQ JJ AK like once every time Haley's Comet comes around. If you raise with other hands, you get the value out of raising with a premium hand. If you only raise with premium hands, everyone sniffs you out and you don't get action.

at these stakes i found that people tend to freeze up with large bets so i wanted to win the pot right there if he was playing A-10 or some 10. I don't normally like showing down hands.

about the tournament statement. he seemed to overvalue top pairs and always wanted to get his money in w/ them.. honestly i cant explain what read i had on him, if you guys play alot of MTT and SNG you should understand.


I wanted my opponents to see a flop in this hand so i min-raised to let them catch up a bit and maybe let the tourny dude stack off to me w/ top pair.

On the contrary, minraises look strong at these stakes. If ANYTHING (and I never minraise, but I'm just saying..) minraise with something weak. If it gets shown down, you can minraise something like KK or AA to mix it up. But generally... keep it simple at these stakes. Just raise your standard amount.

I think I'm going to start a company, where when someone min raises, I fly to their house, punch them in the face, they thank me, pay me, and I go home.

I like to check the turn. As played, I put the money in. But that based on a hypothetical read that caused me to bet the turn.

It's a lot like this hand.

Min raising does not count as mixing up your game.

So you're going to punch gus hansen and daniel negreanu in the face? min raising can be used as a great tool.

not a fair comparison...


and this is mos def NOT one of those situations...

but come on don't act like i just commited a felony or something.

anyways do i call in that spot?

Find a new table.

Seriously.

And you should definitely be able to calculate pot odds at this point. Just a suggestion.

FWIW, players that can't calculate pot odds should probably not be "mixing" up their game.

man, do i suck at poker. so who makes the call in that spot?

Not me.

The good news, albasuna, is, I love your avatar.

That is all.

I guess we fold here, but I don't like it, and I'm not sure about it.

Yep. I'm probably folding to the raise as you are probably flipping at best, and I don't think you are flipping nearly as often as you need to be.

As it turns out I used my esp (obv a joke) and donk called hoping to suckout. When the 10c hit the board I was filled with joy except I realized that paired the board and maybe he filled up.

BB had 10-8o.


Hero KxKc
BB 10-8o

Board Ts-5c-4c-Jc-10c



EDIT: as I look back I'm not upset at my preflop min-raise but my turn bet is a bit suspect.
I'm not a very traditional player so I admit I'm a donk.

Don't use the just cause Gus Hansen and daniel negreanu do it so can I. And i bet they arent doing it with KK preflop, more like 78s or something, in fact, i will almost garuntee they do not min raise kk preflop. It acheives nothing to do that and you are asking the bb to come in with any 2 and flop 2 pair and stack you. But if you enjoy being stacked, then by all means, continue minraising. We are tyring to help here, don't min-raise preflop.

No way, Hansen would raise 8-7s so much harder

Btw, any pair you open min-raise preflop, no matter how big, you've made your decision to play it for set value or call down air.

definitel a flush...nothing you can do...sometimes i like to force the blinds to fold pre-flop or even post-flop and try to get something like top pair weak kicker to call to try and get the draws out of there, but thats also how you get burned by sets.

negreanu says to play small ball and try to get full value out of those kings, but in doing so you also have to be able to tell when someone has picked up a better hand.