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Shakey90
okay so I'm messing around in the local casino.. I'm in the small blind with AA with the A of clubs....5 limpers to me and I pop it to 15..I get 2 calls, the cut off and button...I've got 200 behind and button has about 175 behind...flop comes Q67 all clubs... the pot is 60 ish.. I put 50 into the pot and the button pushes for 125 more, well I call and he turns over XX.... [removed results]..


Did I donk it up here?
Zach6668
Hi.

Post in the correct forum. Looks like you wanted the NL cash forum.

Do not include results.
Sheiky
No brainer call
Shakey90
sorry Zach didnt know,I dont post in Strategy a lot.
Omaha Hi/Lo
easy call.
[yawn]
KappaKid83
Snap Call, appluad playing Q7o that way and then laugh when you nut in said players face, BOOM!!!

Jeff
NoBBiR
This is never a fold, ever.
Shakey90
Yeah I caught my 4th club and had to explain to the guy my insta call when he pushed...I just wanted to make sure I was right
Willing 2 Die
Is it just me or are we committing way too much money postflop here with one pair?

I would control the pot a little better after the flop and go from there, just me.
Temporary Nuts
QUOTE (MAV_304 @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 10:47 AM) *
Is it just me or are we committing way too much money postflop here with one pair?

I would control the pot a little better after the flop and go from there, just me.


We don't have one pair. We have the highest overpair and the nut flush draw. Snap call. Well played.
D5Greene
yeah dude, hes definitely got a queen and is trying to get rid of any draws....

can you really see somoene flopping a flush and re-raising nearly all of his chips to the pre-flop aggressor?? If he smooth calls the flop then I worry about the flush, cuz the queen is either going all in or folding.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 7:14 AM) *
We don't have one pair. We have the highest overpair and the nut flush draw. Snap call. Well played.


Exactly. We know where the nuts are - in our hand. If he has a set we have 11 outs, if he has two pair we have more than 11 outs, if he has a flush we still have the nut flush draw. Plus we're often just plain ahead. You're never folding for ~100bb with AsAx on XsXsXs flops. Ever.
biff_goods
don't you love it when a guy is MAD AT YOU for calling his all in with AA and the Nut flush draw when he was trying to be tricky playing Q7 off.

cracks me up.
Gene zzz
But you aren't getting the correct odds to call, 11 outs twice is only break even on the even money bet here 1/4 on turn 1/4 ~ on river plus nothing after. He has outs also so some of these aren't the nuts factor those in so you are beat but what if he had some more money in his stack and so did you and he refrained from the allin then you start to get odds so if you both had deeper stacks and you bet out somewhat more then he would have a problem but I think as it was you made a bad bet.
Gene zzz
I just ran a simulation and if the opp has QQ the AA make 1/10 as much as the wired pair and this is if AA knows what QQ has before the flop. No more then knowing what the turn card will be makes that bet good.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Gene zzz @ Sunday, October 7th, 2007, 4:44 PM) *
I just ran a simulation and if the opp has QQ the AA make 1/10 as much as the wired pair and this is if AA knows what QQ has before the flop. No more then knowing what the turn card will be makes that bet good.

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Naismith
QUOTE (Gene zzz @ Sunday, October 7th, 2007, 4:44 PM) *
I just ran a simulation and if the opp has QQ the AA make 1/10 as much as the wired pair and this is if AA knows what QQ has before the flop. No more then knowing what the turn card will be makes that bet good.


QFT
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Naismith @ Sunday, October 7th, 2007, 7:13 PM) *
QFT

Which part do you agree with?
Naismith
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Sunday, October 7th, 2007, 7:14 PM) *
Which part do you agree with?


I ran the same simulation and can confirm his analysis.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Naismith @ Sunday, October 7th, 2007, 7:15 PM) *
I ran the same simulation and can confirm his analysis.

I hate you.
Naismith
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Sunday, October 7th, 2007, 7:15 PM) *
I hate you.


The simulation proved that this is in fact untrue.
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