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given1982
Villain is 33/17/2 over only 24 hands.

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saw flop
Hero ($131.65)
MP ($100)
Button ($184.45)
SB ($130.10)
BB ($29.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $3.5, 1 fold, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds.

Flop: ($8.50) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button raises to $15, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($38.50) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($38.50) (2 players)
Hero bets $25.5, Button raises to $165.95 (All-In), Hero . . .


I called the flop to check-raise the turn, which obviously didn't work out. The river raise confused me. I thought that because of its size, it represented either the nuts (or close to it) or a bluff, but that's the best I could do at constructing a range for villain, which is what I was hoping for help with from you guys.
total_con12
I call and lose to jacks full. You could make a case for folding this, but personally I'm not that good.
ActionFalko
First of all I would throw away A4o from early postion.
Secondly I would go crazy on the flop and get as much money in as possible. You got a big hand and want a worse one to hang itself. Your hand is so well disguised, that you need to win a lot of money, for all the times you have to throw away A4o after the flop. And normally you do this by betting big on the flop. Hope he has 77-KK and he wants to put all his chips in right now. That way I cannot second guess myself on later streets.

The way you played it... I can see you in front here a lot of times to make calling profitable.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (given1982 @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 5:29 AM) *
Villain is 33/17/2 over only 24 hands.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop
Hero ($131.65)
MP ($100)
Button ($184.45)
SB ($130.10)
BB ($29.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $3.5, 1 fold, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds.

Flop: ($8.50) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button raises to $15, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($38.50) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($38.50) (2 players)
Hero bets $25.5, Button raises to $165.95 (All-In), Hero . . .
I called the flop to check-raise the turn, which obviously didn't work out. The river raise confused me. I thought that because of its size, it represented either the nuts (or close to it) or a bluff, but that's the best I could do at constructing a range for villain, which is what I was hoping for help with from you guys.


Fold
Pot Odds RAC
This is J/10 or A/J

Call.
NoBBiR
I think that more likely than not you're beat. But I don't see how you're folding, so stick 'er in. I think I would reraise the flop 100% of the time. It will make your hand look like a big pair and make people more willing to stack you if they have a 4, or another big pair.

This is pretty much either another 4 (could be 45 smile.gif) or a big boat. But I just don't find a fold.
whiterice714
QUOTE (Pot Odds RAC @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 11:04 AM) *
This is J/10 or A/J

Call.


QUOTE (given1982 @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 6:29 AM) *
Flop: ($8.50) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button raises to $15, Hero calls $9.




just to clarify in my mind... please explain to me how villain can possibly have J 10 or A J




*EDIT*
not to mention not betting the turn after he hits his J...
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (whiterice714 @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 1:11 PM) *
just to clarify in my mind... please explain to me how villain can possibly have J 10 or A J
*EDIT*
not to mention not betting the turn after he hits his J...


Thank you.

We *might* be ahead here, but the villain sees we have 3 of kind just like we see the 445 on the flop, and he ain't afraid. He's dumping chips in the pot like mad.


We have to ask ourselves ... why?
whatgreatis
Am I the only one that could think this is 67suited? Raising preflop under the gun you don't necessarily hit that flop and his flop raise could be a semi-bluff/give me a free river raise. Once you call he should give you credit for some kind of pair, your hand looks more like 77/88/99 to villain. His river push could be a busted straight draw thinking that if he applys enough pressure he could get you to fold those hands with a paired board and two overcards. He probably assumes you reraise him on the flop with QQ or better.

Just something extra to think about.

EDIT: I also think your good here a majority of the time. His river all-in isn't screaming value at all and I almost guarantee he doesn't put you on a set of fours.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (whatgreatis @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 3:35 PM) *
EDIT: I also think your good here a majority of the time. His river all-in isn't screaming value at all and I almost guarantee he doesn't put you on a set of fours.


But he might just put you on trip fours wink.gif
krup24
imo you have to bet the turn here or reraise the flop, A4o is a junky hand UTG SH. You raised flopped a monster and are being reraised on the flop. I don't hate the smooth call of the flop but I think you need to bet the turn if you do this and hope to get a reraise.

and also this is like AJ or JT almost never unless villian is uber laggy

as played i think its really close although I lean towards a fold. you made this hand very very difficult to play. if you reraise the flop or bet the turn hand plays itself.
whatgreatis
QUOTE (krup24 @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 6:50 PM) *
as played i think its really close although I lean towards a fold.



Why would you fold? There are only three hands we are worried about. They are 45suited, JJ, 1010. All of which are unlikely. It's also very very important in this situation that villain probably has no idea we have a set of fours because that influences his action. To him our hand looks like 77/88/99.

So why would you fold?


Edit: 45 suited is actually impossible. The only four thats not on the board or in our hand is the 4h and the 5h is on the flop. I rarely see people play connectors if they aren't suited unless villain is super lag.
throwemaway
QUOTE (whatgreatis @ Sunday, September 23rd, 2007, 9:18 PM) *
Why would you fold? There are only three hands we are worried about. They are 45suited, JJ, 1010. All of which are unlikely. It's also very very important in this situation that villain probably has no idea we have a set of fours because that influences his action. To him our hand looks like 77/88/99.

So why would you fold?
Edit: 45 suited is actually impossible. The only four thats not on the board or in our hand is the 4h and the 5h is on the flop. I rarely see people play connectors if they aren't suited unless villain is super lag.


Villain very very rarely shoves the river with AJ and J10..and he would have to be pretty creative in the first place to raise that flop..He either has a house or nothing, as I'm really discounting another 4 for obvious reasons..I think this is a fold, although it sucks

Also, I probably would have taken the same line
Scott3705
If you raise A4o UTG, you're probably running with a really high PFR which really dictates that you go nuts on the flop here. When you raise with trash, hit, you are supposed to build the pot.

Given the river action, I think you may have run into jacks/tens full. I feel like you're smoke, but woudl have a hard time laying this down considering you raised preflop, and he should not know how strong you are.
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