Ganador
Saturday, September 22nd, 2007, 10:41 AM
No real reads, guy just sat down.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed)
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SB ($96)
BB ($116.80)
UTG ($74.15)
MP ($99)
CO ($142.35)
Hero ($147.75)
Preflop: Hero is Button with

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UTG raises to $3,
2 folds, Hero calls $3,
2 folds.
Flop: ($7.50)

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(2 players)UTG bets $5,
Hero raises to $14, UTG calls $9.
Turn: ($35.50)
(2 players)UTG bets $15Now what?
And dont just say re-raise preflop (which i do alot, just mix it up once and a while)
And dont just say bet more on the flop, which i know i should of done, but wasnt thinking.
Im looking for turn advice
tskillz187
Saturday, September 22nd, 2007, 10:44 AM
Reraise pf and raise larger on the flop.
Edit: Nice edit douche.
Well we know where I stand anyways
mtdesmoines
Saturday, September 22nd, 2007, 10:46 AM
QUOTE (Ganador @ Saturday, September 22nd, 2007, 10:41 AM)

No real reads, guy just sat down.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
SB ($96)
BB ($116.80)
UTG ($74.15)
MP ($99)
CO ($142.35)
Hero ($147.75)
Preflop: Hero is Button with

,

.
UTG raises to $3,
2 folds, Hero calls $3,
2 folds.
Flop: ($7.50)

,

,
(2 players)UTG bets $5,
Hero raises to $14, UTG calls $9.
Turn: ($35.50)
(2 players)UTG bets $15Now what?
And dont just say re-raise preflop (which i do alot, just mix it up once and a while)
And dont just say bet more on the flop, which i know i should of done, but wasnt thinking.
Im looking for turn advice
All in. He's got a J or a combo draw.
fatman
Saturday, September 22nd, 2007, 11:44 AM
No need to mix it up when someone just sat down at the table. As played, I fold this turn. If not then, absent a queen, you will have another difficult decision on the river.
Scott3705
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 4:53 AM
How often do we smooth call the flop? Personally, if I'm leading this flop, it's never getting called after the raise. Because of the way I would play a hand in villian's position, I find myself calling behind a lot (in hero's position) and trying to see what develops at the turn.
Temporary Nuts
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 5:25 AM
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Saturday, September 22nd, 2007, 2:46 PM)

All in. He's got a J or a combo draw.
A-x hearts doesn't play this way?
mtdesmoines
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 5:30 AM
QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 5:25 AM)

A-x hearts doesn't play this way?
Hmmmmmmmm .... was the turn ADDED to the OP? I don't recall seeing a turn ...
Scott3705
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 5:34 AM
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 5:30 AM)

Hmmmmmmmm .... was the turn ADDED to the OP? I don't recall seeing a turn ...
It's in your original quote.
mtdesmoines
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 5:42 AM
QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Monday, September 24th, 2007, 5:34 AM)

It's in your original quote.
gfdsa146
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 5:49 AM
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Saturday, September 22nd, 2007, 11:46 AM)

All in. He's got a J or a combo draw.
Why can't this be trips?
tskillz187
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 5:59 AM
I think this hand was very interesting and me and OP disagreed on how to play it. Villain puts us in a very weird spot on the turn, is that bet a blocker/combo draw bet, or is it something huge?
If we shove and its nothing much he folds (seems unlikely), if we shove and its something big (flush, trips, boat) he calls and we are drawing to 2ish outs, if we shove and he has something like Jx where X is a the K or A of hearts he will call and be getting slightly the worst of it.
If we think his bet is real strength often enough we should be folding IMO, but if it's that combo stuff or some weird block bet we should be raising. The problem is I think if this is a near nut hand the villain played it very well.
krup24
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 6:14 AM
Villian's action just screams flush draw to me. You made your mistake on the flop. Reraise the flop and commit urself. I go broke to a T here or TJ, I have AJ drawing slim, and I make a flush draw pay.
As played i think I call and call most non heart rivers.
Snamuh
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 6:15 AM
Villain is strong enough to call the flop reraise and then lead out on the turn when the flush draw hit? I'm thinking villain is extremely strong here and I'm folding my queens because you are likely drawing to 2 outs. Villain has JJ or JT a lot here I think with A-x hearts being a possibility also, although I think a full house is the most likely holding.
Ganador
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 12:24 PM
Wow, absolutely no one actaully supported what I did in this hand (cept demoines). And to the guy who told me to reraise the flop, I don't know how to reraise myself, but If i did, I would. Anyways, i thought the turn bet was veryvery wierd. He led out on the flop, and then smooth called a raise. So now I have to wonder what he would do that with. Well first, would he lead at me with a boat, at these stakes, i feel that no, he wouldnt i def think he would attempt to let me bet, or catch up a bit with no fear of a free card. So i ruled it out. I thought maybe he had either a flush draw, AJ or KJ, and a slim chance of AA KK. Now I also ruled out a 10 because I think a 10 would definitly reraise the flop. So i thought there was a good chance I was still leading here.
So now the turn. The heart fell, damn, i might not be ahead. But then, wait, he leads again, after getting raised on the flop, to me this doesnt mean i hit my flush. I find that after a flop has been raised, and the flush falls, the villian will check, hoping for another bet, then the hero will check behind, and the villian bets the river, and hero makes a decision then. (this is what i feel is standard) So to me, his lead did not scream strength, it was only half the pot, and I viewed it as a defensive weak lead. Immediately I thought he had a hand like AJ or KJ with A or K of hearts. I just dont see someone with a boat or flush leading out here after already getting raised and assuming I'm going to bet the turn, def not a boat at least. It could be a weak lead with a boat hoping for a raise with the flush, but i ruled out boat already. So I did what I do, and I shoved. He thought for a bit, so I assumed I was right and he finally called with KJ diamonds and QQ held.
I posted this cause I showed tskillz and we disagreed, even though he is a calling station. Thanks for your thoughts.
D5Greene
Monday, September 24th, 2007, 1:49 PM
in my opinion, a good player would not call that re-raise pre-flop with hearts....i would put him on a 10 1st, flush second. Of course i could make a better decision if i had seen the guy play. And what you say is "standard" is exactly what a good player is trying to avoid. Betting the 10 on the river, hoping for the jack to think he is bluffing or a flush draw calling or even a straight draw calling is common. No one thinks someone spiking two cards on the flop to make trips will lead out, and i love it when it happens to me and i get paid off immensely by donkeys who think "you have to check trips on the flop."
My goal here is to get all in on the flop so i love forcing action. IMO the guy you played against is weak. To bet the flop, and get re-raised and to smooth call is horrible. If i bet and i get re-raised with two tens on the board i am folding immediately. The fact that he bet again on the turn tells me he is a donkey.
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