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bige321786
At a 6 max NLHE game, assuming the Hero holds KK, what is the likelihood that one of five villains holds AA?
Taking the two Kings out of the deck, I assume it's somewhere around 3-5% of the time, possibly a little higher. Is this about correct?
In an online cash game, where all stacks are roughly 100BBs, is your intention to always get it all-in preflop with KK regardless of prior action?
HubDub04
Fold Postflop.
Scott3705
QUOTE (bige321786 @ Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 9:55 AM) *
At a 6 max NLHE game, assuming the Hero holds KK, what is the likelihood that one of five villains holds AA?
Taking the two Kings out of the deck, I assume it's somewhere around 0.5-1.0% of the time, possibly a little higher. Is this about correct?
In an online cash game, where all stacks are roughly 100BBs, is your intention to always get it all-in preflop with KK regardless of prior action?


22:1 or is that just full ring? I don't know. My thought on it is that when you suspect your up against AA, it's more than 22:1 since the action is telling you villian has better than a random hand, so I don't think the % matters at all.

in a 6-max game and 100BB's, i'm usually getting it all in preflop with KK. if I get 5 players all in in front of me before I get to act... well I still call and hope to hit a king.

I've folded KK preflop a few times but I've been extremely deep doing it.
bige321786
If stacks are 100BBs deep, is your intention to always get it AIPF with KK?
Why, or why not?
Examples:

$25 stacks
Hero raises UTG with KsKc to $1.00
CO Raises to $3.45
Hero Raises to $11
CO Raises All In
Hero????


$25 Stacks
UTG raises to $1.00
Hero raises from button with KsKc to $4
UTG re-raises to $15.50
Hero ??????

$25 Stacks
Hero raises UTG with KsKc to $1.00
UTG+2 calls $1.00
CO re-raises to $4
Hero re-raises to $13
UTG+2 re-raises all in
CO calls All in
Hero ?????
dgostate8
Quit hold 'em, play triple draw.
jburn812
Push every time.
bige321786
QUOTE (jburn812 @ Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 11:41 AM) *
Push every time.


That's been my play every time and I assume that's the right thing to do. I've been getting shown AA a lot, but I figure I'll have my times when I'm holding the AA , so this situation will usually even itself out.
No debate? Shove ever example?
Scott3705
QUOTE (bige321786 @ Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 11:07 AM) *
That's been my play every time and I assume that's the right thing to do. I've been getting shown AA a lot, but I figure I'll have my times when I'm holding the AA , so this situation will usually even itself out.
No debate? Shove ever example?

100 bb's is usually too short to fold. I think 3 is a fold more times than not, but slight donkishness makes me call it.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (bige321786 @ Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 9:55 AM) *
At a 6 max NLHE game, assuming the Hero holds KK, what is the likelihood that one of five villains holds AA?
Taking the two Kings out of the deck, I assume it's somewhere around 3-5% of the time, possibly a little higher. Is this about correct?
In an online cash game, where all stacks are roughly 100BBs, is your intention to always get it all-in preflop with KK regardless of prior action?


In 6 max, I'm not folding KK ever. And I do mean ever. And this is coming from the guy who, in 12 times getting KK in Jan/Feb, ran into AA 8 of them and only flopped a set once, and voila, so did the AA. Two other times I got them cracked by sets and one time, chopped with AK with 4 to a straight on the board.

But no, I STILL don't fold KK in 6 max ever.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 11:31 AM) *
In 6 max, I'm not folding KK ever. And I do mean ever. And this is coming from the guy who, in 12 times getting KK in Jan/Feb, ran into AA 8 of them and only flopped a set once, and voila, so did the AA. Two other times I got them cracked by sets and one time, chopped with AK with 4 to a straight on the board.

But no, I STILL don't fold KK in 6 max ever.


They only held up once? God you run terrible lol.

For 100bb's I'm never folding Kings preflop, ever.

Once you get deeper, I'm much more likely to fold Kings to a specific set of actions made by the villain.
I'd say about 250-300BB+ deep, and you can really start to consider it. Other than that, don't bother yourself, especially at low limits, just donk then guy when he has AA, and crush him when he has AK, QQ, or JJ.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 11:38 AM) *
They only held up once? God you run terrible lol.

For 100bb's I'm never folding Kings preflop, ever.

Once you get deeper, I'm much more likely to fold Kings to a specific set of actions made by the villain.
I'd say about 250-300BB+ deep, and you can really start to consider it. Other than that, don't bother yourself, especially at low limits, just donk then guy when he has AA, and crush him when he has AK, QQ, or JJ.



I know I run terrible.*



* and AK always wants to know why I like shutting down hands when I'm ahead ....
bige321786
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 12:31 PM) *
In 6 max, I'm not folding KK ever. And I do mean ever. And this is coming from the guy who, in 12 times getting KK in Jan/Feb, ran into AA 8 of them and only flopped a set once, and voila, so did the AA. Two other times I got them cracked by sets and one time, chopped with AK with 4 to a straight on the board.

But no, I STILL don't fold KK in 6 max ever.


That's my approach and I'm pretty happy with it, regardless of results. Doesn't make sense to fold KK ever in 6max to me but I at least wanted to talk to other poker players about it.
But, out of curiousity, how many hands did you play in this January-February stretch? You only got KK 12 times? It doesn't sound to me like you were playing very many hands.
I don't really know a lot of the posters here, but what is your poker background/experience/stakes(former and current)? Just would like to know who this advice is coming from....not doubting at all! I completely agree with your assessment.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (bige321786 @ Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 11:43 AM) *
That's my approach and I'm pretty happy with it, regardless of results. Doesn't make sense to fold KK ever in 6max to me but I at least wanted to talk to other poker players about it.
But, out of curiousity, how many hands did you play in this January-February stretch? You only got KK 12 times? It doesn't sound to me like you were playing very many hands.
I don't really know a lot of the posters here, but what is your poker background/experience/stakes(former and current)? Just would like to know who this advice is coming from....not doubting at all! I completely agree with your assessment.


Acid likes to tell people I'm old, so let's just say I've been playing a while.

The number of hands I see is limited. I play live $1/$2/$300, because that's the only game at the local casino 2 miles from my house. I play three times a week, most weeks. I do travel and play $2/$5/$200-$500 or $5/$10/$500+ game about three or four times a month.

I only donk around online when I have to be home and in the house for one reason or another, and when I'm online, I usually would rather play tourneys, just because I can play cash games everywhere, anytime. I also have about a half dozen distractions when I play online, which is another reason to not take it seriously.

Yeah, even in full ring, I have to be huge deep -- like 3+ buyins -- or I have to know the player before I slow down with KK preflop. I see enough JJ QQ AK Ax TT 99 ..... etc., to make it profitable. I've even caught people shoving $200 preflop with 7-2, just because they thought it would be cute.
bige321786
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Thursday, September 20th, 2007, 1:02 PM) *
Acid likes to tell people I'm old, so let's just say I've been playing a while.

The number of hands I see is limited. I play live $1/$2/$300, because that's the only game at the local casino 2 miles from my house. I play three times a week, most weeks. I do travel and play $2/$5/$200-$500 or $5/$10/$500+ game about three or four times a month.

I only donk around online when I have to be home and in the house for one reason or another, and when I'm online, I usually would rather play tourneys, just because I can play cash games everywhere, anytime. I also have about a half dozen distractions when I play online, which is another reason to not take it seriously.

Yeah, even in full ring, I have to be huge deep -- like 3+ buyins -- or I have to know the player before I slow down with KK preflop. I see enough JJ QQ AK Ax TT 99 ..... etc., to make it profitable. I've even caught people shoving $200 preflop with 7-2, just because they thought it would be cute.


Yes. I, too, love live poker.
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