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Citizen Erased
Hero's been at the table for about 50 hands and is running at 25/ 2 (1.5 PFA), having only shown down a flopped nut flush and has been somewhat card dead.

Villain's running at 22/ 10 (8 PFA) through just 85 hands, and has been very quiet since Hero sat down, with his stack being $40 upon Hero's arrival, and $39 at the time of this hand.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($39.45)
UTG+1 ($83.50)
MP1 ($7.75)
MP2 ($32.55)
Hero ($28.10)
CO ($15.55)
Button ($25.95)
SB ($24.10)
BB ($28.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, K.
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.85, 4 folds.

Flop: ($2.05) 7, K, 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $1.5, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $2.50.

Turn: ($10.05) T (2 players)
UTG bets $7, Hero $7

River: ($24.05) A (2 players)
UTG bets $16, and is All-In, Hero ???

How often is this a missed flush/ frustrated KQ?


n.b: I wrote the river based on memory, so it's not 100% accurate.
Metternich
think this is pretty much either a set or a weaker king. I would keep calling here, think its a king way more often.
nomad_monad
reraise preflop - hand plays a lot differently

as played i call down. with an agg factor of 8 he's often donkbetting the turn with a wide range just to keep you from taking a free card. plus there are a lot of river cards that could freeze the action and get you a free showdown.
bstark94
Without reads, I call the turn. Call the river.

I probably don't raise the flop either. I like pot-control with TPTK, that way you're decisions are easier.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Citizen Erased @ Sunday, September 16th, 2007, 4:00 PM) *
Hero's been at the table for about 50 hands and is running at 25/ 2 (1.5 PFA), having only shown down a flopped nut flush and has been somewhat card dead.

Villain's running at 22/ 10 (8 PFA) through just 85 hands, and has been very quiet since Hero sat down, with his stack being $40 upon Hero's arrival, and $39 at the time of this hand.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($39.45)
UTG+1 ($83.50)
MP1 ($7.75)
MP2 ($32.55)
Hero ($28.10)
CO ($15.55)
Button ($25.95)
SB ($24.10)
BB ($28.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, K.
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.85, 4 folds.

Flop: ($2.05) 7, K, 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $1.5, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $2.50.

Turn: ($10.05) T (2 players)
UTG bets $7, Hero ???


Might as well push the turn. This looks like a flush draw blocker bet.
Dictius
QUOTE (Metternich @ Monday, September 17th, 2007, 10:32 AM) *
think this is pretty much either a set or a weaker king. I would keep calling here, think its a king way more often.



Agreed, I think this is KQ.
Citizen Erased
I did put him and KQ, but just called, waiting to see what the river brought.

Added river to OP, and action.

Is this an InstaCall of a missed flush?
Temporary Nuts
I don't think this is a set unless he really wanted to risk a spade peeling off on the turn and then the lead out on the turn is just odd for a set....

I see several hands playing this way. Q-J spades, K-10, Krablar, 10-10, and maybe K-Q/K-J from a bad opponent... and possibly A-K as well on a rarity.

Adding the min 10% of busted draws...You're ahead here way more often than not. You have to call this.
Citizen Erased
RESULTS:

Hero calls $16...

Villain shows A A and won with a Set of Aces...



which kinda sucked.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Citizen Erased @ Wednesday, September 19th, 2007, 10:58 AM) *
RESULTS:

Hero calls $16...

Villain shows A A and won with a Set of Aces...
which kinda sucked.


You did nothing wrong there.
whatgreatis
QUOTE (Citizen Erased @ Wednesday, September 19th, 2007, 10:58 AM) *
RESULTS:

Hero calls $16...

Villain shows A A and won with a Set of Aces...
which kinda sucked.



I think if you reraise preflop you'd have a better idea that he has aces. He's most likely going to reraise your raise and after that you can put him on QQ KK AA since those are the only hands that really do that. After the flop brings a K and he gives significant action you might be able to lay it down, or at least have a better idea of where your at in the hand.

Reraise this preflop and it'll play out a lot different.
Scott3705
QUOTE (whatgreatis @ Wednesday, September 19th, 2007, 8:29 PM) *
Reraise this preflop and it'll play out a lot different.


Except for folding to a reraise preflop, I can't see how this hand plays differently by reraising. Reraising shortens stacks and creates less wiggle room. We get away from this flop when we've got over 3 streets worth of bets, not when we've squeezed our action into the flop. You reraise, he smooth calls and this flop comes, you get C/Red the action goes like:

Bet.08 reraise to 3, call
Flop(6)
Check, Bet 6, reraise 25 and you're getting 2:1 with TPTK in what could be a likely chop or a draw.
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