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AKProdigy
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP1 (t4850)
Hero (t15575)
MP3 (t10935)
CO (t12238)
Button (t17661)
SB (t22748)
BB (t8637)
UTG (t4360)
UTG+1 (t1379)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8 icon_suit_heart.gif , J icon_suit_heart.gif .
2 folds, MP1 calls t200, Hero raises to t775, 1 fold, CO raises to t1350, 3 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls t575.

Flop: (t3200) 5 icon_suit_diamond.gif , 2 icon_suit_spade.gif , J icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t1000, Hero ?

24/14 after about 25 hands. Saw him minraise AA preflop with 1 limper behind in MP, and bet out the flop and turn fairly strong. Whats your play here? Avg stack about 10.5k, 1500ish players left.
monix
Wow...I can not say what to do as I do not think I have ever raised J8s pf at a full table so I've never been in this situation...
pokerinc
It's a very small flop bet, I'd be roped into calling it.
AKProdigy
Let me put it this way: the small reraise preflop sets alarm bells ringing in my head, esp since he has a history of min-raising his big hands.

QUOTE (monix @ Friday, September 14th, 2007, 6:38 PM) *
Wow...I can not say what to do as I do not think I have ever raised J8s pf at a full table so I've never been in this situation...


I guess it really depends on how much of a textbook tourney player you are. I like to mix up my play quite a bit when I have chips to play with and try and stack big hands.

I guess my real question is do you call or raise here? I guess an argument could be for folding given the information I have provided, but I feel that:

1) I'm getting a good price on the flop to see a turn card
2) If he does have a big hand as I suspect, I have implied odds if I can improve.
3) I might have the best hand.

My question really is: do you call to see a turn card? Or do you raise to define where you stand? AND is putting him on a huge hand here too weak? Is his range actually a lot bigger. I don't have a large history with this player by any means, but small raises/re-raises preflop always make me weary.

Btw, the raise preflop is made for two reasons: 1) I feel I have some fold equity if no one else has a decent hand 2) If I'm called and hit a large draw or board, my hand is well disguised. So for any of you "well if you're going to raise J8 preflop, you might as well stick it in cuz you hit your flop" theorists, I don't wanna hear it tongue.gif lol.
loxo
Firstly, gotta say it and I'm normally one to mix it up but I think this is an easy fold preflop. 5 players to act after us (including two stacks bigger than ours) not to mention the preflop limper! You need to hit your hand extremely hard and/or have some silky post flop skills to make this profitable. Folding>limping>raising IMHO.

Anyway........ Were at the flop now and I think a raise is ugly. Sure we might get AK to fold but AA KK QQ JJ isn't going anywhere and your avg low limit tourny donk loves to make these kind of raises preflop with precisely these kinds of hands. He's sitting there thinking, wow, big pocket pair, I know I should raise. Hold on, I don't want to scare anyone away I know what I'll do.........MIN RAISE!!! By raising the flop we are going to have to put way more chips in than we ever should with J8.

So in this spot I call, purely bc he's giving me a real nice price to outdraw him. Don't spew any more chips than is necessary, see a turn and re-evaluate. I think we are checking any turn, improved or not and looking to see what the villians next play is. Alot of players at this level won't fire the second barrel with AK and when they do it's often exremely weak so we may pick up a read here. If we miss and he so much as doubles his bet on the turn I'm probably throwing it away.
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