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jethrodull
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2850
UTG+1: t3983
MP1: t5700
CO: t2010
Button: t3037
Hero: t6050
BB: t1270

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with qs.gif ad.gif
4 folds, Button calls t100 (pot was t150), Hero raises to t400, BB folds, Button calls t300 (pot was t550).

Flop: tc.gif kc.gif kh.gif (t900, 2 players)
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monix
Bet 450.
tentenoffsuit
QUOTE (monix @ Wednesday, September 5th, 2007, 3:46 PM) *
Bet 450.


ditto... just make sure when you hold KT and that flop comes down that you bet 450 too.
cdannons
yeah my first thought was about 500, if he calls, you're pretty much done with the hand unless a J or maybe A or Q, maybe, come out. Even though you can generally expect me to make a continuation bet when only 1 player has called my preflop raise, I don't think a check is THAT bad here (but don't quote me on that)
jethrodull
QUOTE (cdannons @ Wednesday, September 5th, 2007, 8:06 PM) *
yeah my first thought was about 500, if he calls, you're pretty much done with the hand unless a J or maybe A or Q, maybe, come out. Even though you can generally expect me to make a continuation bet when only 1 player has called my preflop raise, I don't think a check is THAT bad here (but don't quote me on that)


I almost always C-bet, but there must be times when it is not correct, right?

Here, you have a limper that cold calls a 3x raise...what would you be putting him on?

J
monix
QUOTE (jethrodull @ Wednesday, September 5th, 2007, 5:14 PM) *
I almost always C-bet, but there must be times when it is not correct, right?


I always c-bet heads up.

QUOTE (jethrodull @ Wednesday, September 5th, 2007, 5:14 PM) *
Here, you have a limper that cold calls a 3x raise...what would you be putting him on?


He could have all kinds of stuff. If he calls the bet, you have a tough decision on the turn...
sabes99
QUOTE (monix @ Wednesday, September 5th, 2007, 4:30 PM) *
He could have all kinds of stuff. If he calls the bet, you have a tough decision on the turn...


which is the trouble with making the c-bet...i am a firm believer that when you are out of position you should not generally be building a pot without a hand, mostly for the exact reason you stated...if he calls, you have a tough decision now as to whether to continue because you aren't really sure where he stands
eYank
QUOTE (sabes99 @ Wednesday, September 5th, 2007, 6:57 PM) *
which is the trouble with making the c-bet...i am a firm believer that when you are out of position you should not generally be building a pot without a hand, mostly for the exact reason you stated...if he calls, you have a tough decision now as to whether to continue because you aren't really sure where he stands

so do you check and what if he bets the flop, because most players afre going to bet after you check the flop?
do you call, c/r, fold, then your still stuck with a decision on the turn

IMO, Yes, def C-bet
KQ/KJ is all I see him flat calling preflop that beats you
AK he reraises usually
sabes99
QUOTE (eYank @ Wednesday, September 5th, 2007, 7:12 PM) *
so do you check and what if he bets the flop, because most players afre going to bet after you check the flop?
do you call, c/r, fold, then your still stuck with a decision on the turn

IMO, Yes, def C-bet
KQ/KJ is all I see him flat calling preflop that beats you
AK he reraises usually


i just think this is a style difference...out of position, i just think it might be better to try to take off a free card and try to make the straight or a pair here...depending on how much he bets if he bets, i could call and take a card off, or fold

also, if you get to the turn after checking the flop you will not have to commit as much to a turn bluff, making it less risky
monix
QUOTE (sabes99 @ Wednesday, September 5th, 2007, 7:57 PM) *
which is the trouble with making the c-bet...i am a firm believer that when you are out of position you should not generally be building a pot without a hand, mostly for the exact reason you stated...if he calls, you have a tough decision now as to whether to continue because you aren't really sure where he stands



Check your results...in my database I win over 50% of the hands when I c-bet, which makes this play +eV, not even counting the times I subsequently win on the turn or river.
eYank
o wow I read the hand wrong, I thought it said QQ, A is easier to fold if they raise you

haha

but i still like the C-Bet
pdr87
I'm starting to like the idea of not playing this hand at all. You are oop in the stage of the tourney where I belive it is best to play tighter.

As played, a c-bet sounds OK.
cdannons
he has AQ in the small blind after everybody folds and the dealer limps, you wanna fold???? No way, if you wanted to just call the blind, I wouldn't look down on that, I sometimes will just call from the small blind or check from the big blind to disguise my hand if I flop an A or a Q, but you're getting 5-1 odds on calling when you almost certainl have the best hand!! If you are folding this preflop here, you are playing WAY too tight
monix
QUOTE (pdr87 @ Thursday, September 6th, 2007, 8:57 AM) *
I'm starting to like the idea of not playing this hand at all. You are oop in the stage of the tourney where I belive it is best to play tighter.


You have to play this hand - the question is whether to complete or raise. I lean towards completing since we are OOP.
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