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bdc30
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $38.50
UTG+1: $25
Hero: $33.45
Button: $9.40
SB: $23.70
BB: $57.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 7 icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, Button calls, SB raises to $3.65, BB folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: 7 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif ($11.2, 3 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $29.2, ??

Cool? Especially since I have A icon_suit_spade.gif ?
usd2usf2mlb
Is this a joke? Terrible.
You beat nothing. You cant even beat two pair, the very least that he has here. He can have monster draw, a set, etc. You are toast.
bdc30
You really think he repots preflop with any hand that contains 2 of 3 of the cards on that flop?
The ONLY hand I'm afraid of is JJ as part of a middle hand like JJQK or something like that.
What hand containing J5, J7, or 57 repots me preflop?
sabes99
i probably repot this hand pf

since as you pointed out the pf re-raise from OOP means aces most times, i like your play, since you do have the nut flush blocker as well as the 7 to possibly unchop this pot...we have a lot of fold equity i think here, he has to worry about our hand much moreso than we do his, and finally as bdc said all that beats us is J-J with big cards
bdc30
If I were oop, I'd have repotted, but I wanted to pull almost this exact move on a safe-ish flop. Since he repotted, he HAS to lead in to us. Gives us a lot of power in this hand, imo. The flop that hit was about as good as I could hope for, assuming he has what we think he does (AAxx)
simo_8ball
QUOTE (usd2usf2mlb @ Thursday, August 23rd, 2007, 4:47 AM) *
Is this a joke? Terrible.
You beat nothing. You cant even beat two pair, the very least that he has here. He can have monster draw, a set, etc. You are toast.

You might want to tone the attitude down a little. Do you really think he's just check/folding AAxx on that flop? How about a hand like KKQJ?
simo_8ball
I would probably repot preflop. You can get a decent amount of your stack in preflop, and you really want to get the button out.

I'm undecided about the flop. I think it's reasonable, but I'm not liking button's range.
antistuff
for some reason it feels like the risk/reward here is a little off. what if you only raised to like $20?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (antistuff @ Thursday, August 23rd, 2007, 10:11 AM) *
for some reason it feels like the risk/reward here is a little off. what if you only raised to like $20?

Can we fold for $9 more into ~$60?
antistuff
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Thursday, August 23rd, 2007, 1:18 AM) *
Can we fold for $9 more into ~$60?


you're right.

something about the flop just bugs me though. it seems like we are risking $30 to win $17 with very little chance of getting called and being ahead. i think about the best you can hope for is that he calls with aces and no flush draw and you are free rolling him for 5 outs.

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lets say everybody was like twice as deep here. would raising less be good?
simo_8ball
I prefer a preflop repot to get rid of the button, but as played I don't know. I don't hate a call in position actually. We can represent a lot of stuff that appears on the turn, and we should find out if the button has hit big fairly cheaply.
bassplayer45459
I am with simo, i think he has aces too, maybe even KK, the range of hands he is repotting with pre-flop do not hit him here unless he has like AKQJ with some spades, or if he is a tricky player and does like 4 5 6 7 repot, but no...i like the repot the flop, and what the heck two pair could this guy have? 5 6 7 8, you repotting that preflop, nope. I think worst case is JJ10 Q, but still, i dont think he repots this pre-flop. He has aces too, repot the flop and hope he has KK, he thinks you are weak because you didnt re-raise again if you would have had aces
bdc30
QUOTE (bassplayer45459 @ Thursday, August 23rd, 2007, 3:30 AM) *
I am with simo, i think he has aces too, maybe even KK,


Simo is more worried about the Button than he is about the guy who we "know" has aces or kings -- it's certainly conceivable that he overcalled with a low-mid connected type hand that has all kinds of outs on this type of flop (789T, 6789, etc)
It's something I didn't think enough about during the play of the hand. Yes, I have position on the raiser - I sure don't want to repot it here though and see "Button Calls, Other Guy CALLS"...
iggymcfly
This is a stupid spot to get cute preflop. You've got good aces and you can get over half of your (effective) stack in with a 4-bet. Just repop it.
bdc30
QUOTE (sabes99 @ Wednesday, August 22nd, 2007, 8:59 PM) *
as well as the 7 to possibly unchop this pot...


Nice read sir--as someone else said, I was pretty much freerolling for a second pair or a third seven -- had his 8 blocked as well. weeeeee!

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $38.50
UTG+1: $25
Hero: $33.45
Button: $9.40
SB: $23.70
BB: $57.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 7 icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, Button calls, SB raises to $3.65, BB folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: 7 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif ($11.2, 3 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $29.2, Button folds, SB calls all-in $14.05.
Uncalled bets: $9.15 returned to Hero.

Turn: 2 icon_suit_spade.gif ($51.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.3)


River: 7 icon_suit_heart.gif ($51.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.3)


Results:
Final pot: $51.3
Hero showed Ac 8h 7c As
SB showed 8c 3d Ad Ah
litlebullet
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, August 24th, 2007, 9:48 PM) *
Nice read sir--as someone else said, I was pretty much freerolling for a second pair or a third seven -- had his 8 blocked as well. weeeeee!

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $38.50
UTG+1: $25
Hero: $33.45
Button: $9.40
SB: $23.70
BB: $57.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 7 icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, Button calls, SB raises to $3.65, BB folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: 7 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif ($11.2, 3 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $29.2, Button folds, SB calls all-in $14.05.
Uncalled bets: $9.15 returned to Hero.

Turn: 2 icon_suit_spade.gif ($51.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.3)
River: 7 icon_suit_heart.gif ($51.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.3)
Results:
Final pot: $51.3
Hero showed Ac 8h 7c As
SB showed 8c 3d Ad Ah


QUOTE (usd2usf2mlb @ Wednesday, August 22nd, 2007, 7:47 PM) *
Is this a joke? Terrible.
You beat nothing. You cant even beat two pair, the very least that he has here. He can have monster draw, a set, etc. You are toast.


Dang you guys completely thrashed this noob. Shows what I know too that's exactly what I thought at first glance but I don't know much about this game either.
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