The team representing FCP Strat:

Clubbin' w/Pacman is disgusting!

QB: Tony Romo
WR: Anquan Boldin
WR: Marques Colston
RB: Ladanian Tomlinson
RB: Maurice Jones-Drew
Flex: Cedric Benson
TE: Tony Gonzalez
K: Neil Rackers
DEF: Jacksonville

BENCH:
Braylon Edwards
Brandon Jackson
Ben Roethlisberger
Michael Turner
Leon Washington
Drew Carter
LJ Smith

haha DNA4ever lives in Nashville, every time he goes out downtown he runs into Pacman

nasty injury to Paris Warren at the end of the Bucs game

My fantasy draft is Monday. Cannot wait.

I'll kill you, I swear to god. Say that word one more time...



Me likey

ARG COVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm too young for that shit.

This was just a pic I took when I was down there in February.

I remember how we used to admire that horshoe way back in 2005. That is, when we had time between Odd Couple episodes.

lol

I am sooo pissed at the Red Soxs right now... they blew their load on the white soxs

Pretty sick team, has to be a 10 team league

I'm on tilt from reading Royal's strat thread (Insane in the SB Brain) where he's saying that he'll make money in the long run by underbetting a coordinated flop (he has top set) against 2 opponents so that they'll be more apt to call with their flush draw than fold it, even if they're getting the correct odds to be calling.

I am pretty sure if I was having the conversation in person, I'd be out of breath yelling at him.

Everyone has a different ... style.

LOL. Sometimes you just let a thread die.

Royal when he first started posting in NL tilted me a few times. I love how it says "I hate this spot" and I look in the thread and he flopped the nuts.... yeah that is a horrible spot.

For your enjoyment....




Here is what you're missing. Doubling up is not the point of playing poker. If not enough money goes in on the flop, then they're not making a mistake calling you. Maybe the turn blanks, you shove and they fold. Maybe the turn completes their flush, they shove and you call and draw out or don't. None of that really matters. All that matters is if your money goes in good or bad. If your money goes in good, you're not making a mistake. Poker is a zero-sum game (less the rake) and their gain is your loss. If you don't bet enough, in the long run, you're losing money. Bottom line.



Of course they do! They're called pot odds. Obviously the odds of him making his flush are independant of whether you go all in or check it down, but that's not what we look at in poker. All that matters is the price the pot is laying him compared to the odds that he'll make his draw. It is your job to set a price where it's incorrect to call. Really, your goal should be to bet the largest amount that he will incorrectly call. If you bet too little, he's not making a mistake and he makes money in the long run.


Explain how this is relevant. He's made a mistake. You profit from his mistake. Even if he makes his flush on the turn (after calling incorrectly) and shoves, you'll be given the odds that you need to try and make a boat. He's made another mistake here becuase he is giving you the correct price to outdraw him. Whether or not you don't (or he doesn't) have enough chips to offer the incorrect price doesn't matter. The fact will remain that you will have put in money on the flop where he made a mistake to call you. Then on the turn, when he gets lucky, he cannot cause you to make a mistake becuase there isn't enough money behind. You win twice by playing perfectly on the flop AND turn while he makes 2 mistakes.


Profit in the long run. The only thing that matters.


Of course I want my chips in the middle. Any way I play this hand, they'll all be in there on the turn. The point of making a big enough bet on the flop is for 2 reasons. The first is that he will be making a mistake chasing the flush when he calls. The second is that on the turn, if he does call, the pot will be big enough that we'll have correct odds to call all-in if a heart falls, even if he flips over his hand and we see he's turned the nut flush.


Winning % does not matter. His profit goes up if he gets the 4:1 that you offer him. Long Term Profit >>>>>> Winning Percentage.

Longggg

Cliff notes: We need to give incorrect odds to people chasing or our play is bad.

AMIRITE?

+1 ?

+2

Yeah, you're right.

I wish I didn't have a freaking awesome sig because I would put this in there I really should give it to cubsfan44 because he is ac000000

I've had this same discussion with buddies of mine. They think giving good odds to call on the flop to get more money in there and then pushing the drawer out on the turn is the way to go. I explained to them what Acid is saying, but a lot less eloquently.

The point is, I didn't do it in the sacred I Am Bored At Work thread.

You see this mistake made over and over and over again in so many ways:

I watched this hand go down last night: someone raised to $20 PF and got himself four callers. $100 in pot, right? Flop comes xxx, two clubs. A guy with several hundred behind hits top two, but bets $30 and gets three callers. We now have a $190 pot, right? We see an uncoordinated turn card, guy with top two has about $350 behind, but he bets .... $50. Gets a call and a fold. River is a club. His caller goes all in, guy with top two disgustingly mucks his top two face up and makes a derogatory comment about "chasers."

These fundamental misunderstandings about the simple pot odds maths are profit opportunities for the rest of us.

Oh, and keep this shit a secret, OK? -- At every $1/$2 table (and most $2/$5 tables), there's maybe 25% of the players there who understand why the guy who flopped top two pair sucks at poker. Most of the people there last night just knowingly nodded their heads about the danged "flush chasers."

In fact, I was the "chaser" in a VERY similar hand a week ago ... when my flush hit the river, I pushed and THEN HE CALLED my all in -- which almost tripled the size of the pot. He says he called because he thought I was "better than that to chase the flush to the river." Well, my friend, you give me that price for the nut flush draw, AND THEN PAY IT OFF AT THE RIVER, TOO, I'll be "bad" all day long.

Here's another example. I flop a set on a two suit board. We get a lot of money in on the flop, he's got a bad price to see his flush. Naturally, his suit turns. Opponent shoves his obvious made flush and I insta-call because I'm getting a ridiculous 6:1 or something to see the river (which shows how bad I had him on the flop ... but I digress). I river a board pair and take it down. He goes livid on me, saying, "Jesus, I practically played my flush face up on that turn. How could you call?" BTW, this hand illustrates perfectly the point that AK made. I can think of about 15 responses to his question. And, no, I wasn't giving free poker lessons that night. It cost him a buy in for the lesson, but I think he missed the point. When I play with him again, I hope that we can review this lesson over and over.

STOP TALKING ABOUT POKER HANDS IN THIS THREAD. POKER SUCKS. OMFG.

Dude stole a bridge

lol @ "the bulkiest theft of the year"

Mother of the Year


another great story...

kinda depressing

any midget stories to lighten the mood?

Online Daters are easy

maybe I have to give Match.com a try?

I found a story on MSN yesterday where 2 guys got charged with DUI. One was the driver, he had no legs. The other one was on the floor working the gas and brake.

Fark

if you don't know about it, fark is a great waste of time site.

Pick your roommate carefully.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=63829

EDIT: Not smart enough to figure out how to post a link.

links broke

my last 10 days.



but the question is...how much did i lose?

- Jordan

Hi


ps is this a trick question?

no, i'm up a little on the month. tonight when i post my graph in the sept goals thread you'll see how much of a beat this month has been...but it's been a blessing in disguise. i fully believe after a month like this that i'm about as mentally strong and emotionally strong as ever and i'm pretty positive i'm going to have my biggest month ever in september. i'm really stoked.

- Jordan

God, I wish I logged my instant messages.

my brain hurts after reading the insane thread, I think I'd rather be at work right now.

This thread was taking a turn for the wrong direction with all that pot odds nonsense. Glad we just started chucking links up.

Jordan stop being insane, as soon as I don't care about a few hundred bucks ($600 or so?) I'd like to play you heads up at 1-2nl for a few buyins if you'd like to educate me on the felt

what can I do for the next two hours to keep myself from going insane?

no shit..i was a mess about 1/2 way thru month but i really feel a lot better after going thru those sick swings...i wanted to break windows tho for a while.

- Jordan

haha, i think everyone from fcp i've played has beaten me except nakedcowboy, cuz he is unlucky. i usually start shoving like anything and everything post flop for the hell of it. but if u wanted to paly for real i'd be down.

- Jordan

That is how you play for real.

The answer to this question is porn. Always porn.

I tried playing you once but you sat out cause you we're waiting for some fish to come back or something. You'd probably smoke me, my HU game is so rusty/weak right now. I've only played like 4 or 5 heads up sessions all month.

The picture at the top of the plate and silverware looks like its from clipart or like the first picture off of google image search. Where's the ACTUAL plate that the dude ate his roomates brain?!?!? IS IT SO WRONG TO WANT TO SEE A BRAIN ON A FINE CHINA PLATE?

So I typed Santa rape into google and look what I found.


Ultimate Warrior had a comic book. I found this in his wiki page.


Comic book
Beginning in May 1996, Warrior began writing with Jim Callahan and The Sharp Brothers illustrating a comic book entitled ‎WARRIOR, featuring himself as the main character. The comics sold well in the first two months of their distribution, before sales plummeted and the comic was taken out of circulation in early 1997. The initial success of the comic and its ultimate failure are often attributed to the same things.

As a comic book, fans argued that WARRIOR was a failure: there were virtually no characters other than Warrior, little action, and considerably more text than the average comic (in the first issue, at least one entire page is nothing but text, with a small picture of Warrior in the corner).

The comic's most enduring issue, and the one which has received the most ridicule and is now worth the most money, is one of the final issues, which breaks away from the main storyline into a Christmas tale. The plot of the comic is hard to decipher, as it contains no dialogue, monologue, or text boxes. Inexplicably, Warrior attacks the North Pole, usurps Santa Claus' authority over the elves, and in the final frame, which gained the comic its enduring popularity, a sweaty Warrior forces Santa into bondage gear and poses beside him. The apparent sexual undertones, lack of an actual plot, and non-sequitur nature (nothing from the previous issue served to segue into the Santa attack issue) gained the comic cult popularity, especially on the internet. Though nothing sexually explicit is depicted in the comic, some fans have come to describe it as the "santa rape" issue; more commonly, it is referred to as "the one where Warrior puts Santa in bondage".

According to Warrior, six issues of the WARRIOR comic book were created, as well as a "Warrior Graphic Novel that revealed the story behind the creation of Warrior’s Comic Book Universe". However, only the first four issues of the comic were actually produced.

Acid, don't introduce frustrating threads to this area of tranquility. Thank you.

Yeah, that's like getting drunk and kicked out of the IP poker room, right?

But seriously, he's trying to argue AGAINST the Fundamental Theorem of Poker. Last time I looked, Royal wans't published.

I'd just like to reiterate that it was Zach, beloved forum leader Zach, that got drunk and got us kicked out of the IP poker room (plus casino, plus hotel, plus entire property). I assure you, I was just drunk!

Good times.

I'm about to head out to my new career. 100 dollar SnGs versus 200-years olds. Good luck to me.

Let me guess. $100+30?

bend over.

AND 15 minute blinds!!!!

Royal's not published?