His head being turned doesn't matter, that has nothing to do with the rule. Williams OBVIOUSLY pushes him before he sticks his legs get tangled, even though he tries to make it look subtle, look at the replay, that was interference. The ball was obviously catchable, that's just a downright stupid thing to say. Closest ref doesn't always have the best view, so that doesn't matter at all. The closest ref did not see the shove that Williams gave Austin on the play because it was on Hurds opposite side of his body.



What does that have to do with anything? So Favre was playing bad, and that takes away from the Cowboys beating them? That's not an argument. He's your starting QB, all I've heard for the last week is how great Favre is and how he's going to show Romo up. Great job.



We've been missing Terry Glenn all season, what if he played? It doesn't matter, he didn't so that has nothing to do with the outcome. They had all week to make adjustments for their players being out, and they didn't make very good ones.

How about how the Cowboys didn't complain all year when Terence Newman and Anthony Henry were out on and off? Or how we lost our Nose tackle the first game of the season. Or Greg Ellis? God, we've had more injuries all year than the Pack have, but we're still 11-1. No crying in Football.




The only thing? Are you kidding? Romo threw 4 TDs, should have been 5. TO terrorized the Packers defense all day. Our pass rush wrecked the Packers O-line, and our secondary was good until Rodgers came in, who they knew nothing about. Once again, we were missing our best WR from last year, and have been all year. Teams make adjustments. Did you know that Patrick Crayton was a 7th round pick only a few years ago? Now he's a start in one of the best offenses in the league.



Ok. Then why is he playing? Once again, not Dallas Cowboys problem.

His head being turned towards the ball, does indeed matter. That's what indicental contact is about. And if you're going to call that tap on the shoulder a grab then ooooooh there was a lot of other stuff that should have been called.

Farve had a terrible game, and the cowboy's still managed to give up 27 points

Missing Terry Glenn all season gives a team room to adjust. Missing your best cornerback in place for garbage, and a great pass rusher (against a solid O line) requires adjustment. It's not something that can be done in 1 week.

Quarterbacks with all the time in the world to throw aren't outstanding players. Brady and Romo are overrated, and, as always with any team, their protection is ignored because they're the ones throwing the ball. All they have to do is not make a bad throw, they don't have to do anything spectacular. Hell, I remember when Donovan McNabb looked like a good quarterback because of great protection and TO All they did was send TO in motion, got Al Harris to check off of him, and throw to him, and if he wasn't open, they'd throw to anybody who garbage ass Bush was covering... and he had like 10 seconds to make every throw because GB wasn't blitzing (which is sooo horrific because they needed to make that adjustment for the loss of KGB).

That was their entire game plan, and it exploited the fact that Woodson was out.... It did work...along with some close calls that went their way.

So no, I"m not ready to give the Cowboys serious props. They'd be a 10-6 team in the AFC at BEST (and yes, so would GB).

The only thing I'm ready to conclude about that game is Green Bay's defensive coordinating needs an ishload of adjustment

Are you serious? Brady and Romo are overrated? Is Peyton Manning overrated, he has good protection? Was Dan Marino overrated? I don't get it. Is that a joke? So by your standards every good QB in history was overrated, what makes them good then?

I do agree with you that Green Bay needed to make adjustments, but that's what seperates great teams from just good teams. The Cowboys lost T-New for the first big game against the Giants, and Burress shredded us, but we won. Then we lost the league leader in INT's for 3 weeks, which included the Patriots game, but no one is going to give us that game back because we didn't have one of our Corners. No one said, "Well, the Cowboys were operating with a non 100 percent T-New and without their other corner Henry, so the cowboys should be cut slack." Nope, all the media and everyone else said were, "WOW THE COWBOYS AREN'T ON THE SAME LEVEL AS THE PATRIOTS." But now the media is all over how the Packers didn't have their best players so that's why they lost. There is no excuses. Plug people in. If their backup corners suck so much, why are they on the team?



Well, you can say that, and I can say that the Cowboys game planned for Favre, so when he went out, you would expect Aaron Rodgers to have a good day. He's been sitting behind a legend learning for 3 years.



The Cowboys are the second best team in the league. Not the NFC, the league. We've played big games all season, but never get props. I don't know what they have to do. I think there are just a lot of haters out there.

wow i cant remember the last time i did a wake n bake

This post makes me smile, as it seems I was starting to get a clue about 2005.

On Feb 17 2005, 8:43 pm, bigdavexno_meatlike_products_ple...@yahoo.com (David Nicoson) wrote:

NLH, 10 players, cash. Deep stacks.

Sit down, fold to a raise on the big blind.
Next hand, UTG raises pot.
A player in middle position calls.
You have AQo in the small blind.

How would you play this and why?

Not knowing the other players, I fold here. I expect UTG to have AK,
AQ, or a pair. The caller most likely has a small or medium pair, but
also perhaps a high suited connector. It seems to me that I'm
dominated by a lot of hands and a coin flip to a lot of hands. And
I'm playing out of position.

I've asked four people about this hand. Three said call and one said
raise. Maybe I'm a wimp?

Still a tough question today! I think if I have no read on table and I just started my session folding is never a bad option. I think for me it goes Fold>Raise>>>Call. None of the options are horrible, IMO.

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On Feb 18 2005 10:42 AM, ChrisBrown wrote:
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PM
RAISE BUDDY RAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
In this situation you are going to have to make a small raise and get the
caller to folder and maybe the raiser too. You can't be timid in this
game. You have a good hand to play from here.
Doyle suggest this and so does floporraise.com. Try it and see what the
pros recommend. You will start winning more often if you learn to make
these small raises to thin the field instead of looking for chances to
fold. I play strickly NL Cash and Tourneys and would never folded this
hand in SB/BB unless facing a big raise. Since I learned this I now have a
Pokerbankroll with and tAM card to draw from and I am willing consistently
in both cash games and torunaments. I won 1/2nd in 4 tournaments in
OCtober at Harrah's and my last NL cash game there netted me $1100 for a
$100-$300 limit buyin. Get Doyles SSII and read his section on NL and stop
looking for reasons to fold. If you don't mix it up you are going nowhere
in then NL games. In that case go back to limit.
Just my opinion of course.
Look it up adn you'll see I'm correct.
Pokermaniac"




ZACH PLEASE STICKY THE ABOVE! HE HAS AN ATM CARD!

Didn't know where to post this, so I thought this would be as good a place as any:

Obv suicidal.

Eagles lose again?

Yes, I'm asking... between poker and my kid locking down my TV with the Wii I haven't seen any football today.

28-24 Seahawks. Feeley played horrible with 3 picks. It wouldn't have been so bad, but Westbrook returned a punt 64 yards with 1 minute left in the game to put them on like the 13 yard line. Otherwise the game was basically over, so he had to get us close to ultimately toy with my emotions. Feeley obv did the job with his third int to Lofa Tatupa (that is all three picked by Tatupa, ew!)

I think the story of the week is Joe Gibbs basically handing the game over with a stupid penalty.





Thank god December is here.

That last one to Tatupu was pretty terrible. I just don't know how you don't see the guy who you've already thrown two picks to already in the game across the middle of the field.

I don't know how the Giants managed to win.

But ugly wins >>>>>>>>>> ugly losses (Eagles) any day!

Jumping in here to shake things up a bit

Colts 100% healthy are easily 2nd best team in the league. In fact, with Marvin Harrison, Colts would've blown out the Patriots with how good the defense was playing.

Brady scores 2 touchdowns in the last 9 minutes. That's it. Think of what Manning would've been able to do all game if Harrison had been healthy.

But now Dwight Freeney's gone, too... And they still play championship football. No excuses for the San Diego game, though.


ok


Discuss.

I ****ing hate the BCS system...

anyone else with me???

Cowboys are more impressive each week. And I hate the Cowboys since I am a Giants fan. I still think they're better than the Colts.

Yes. This year it didn't matter much since everyone sucked.

Doublepost.

YEAH?!

well...

urong


so


there

I think the offensive line coming back will have more impact than Harrison. The defense looks a lot better than last year at this time (when Sanders was out). Addai is playing great. I think they could repeat, especially if teams keep trying to throw against them.

They probably are the #2 team, but they won't win in January at Foxboro.

yes I do, even though my team benefits from it.

Jmkiser, your avatar seriously cracked me up.

Okay, the Colts do this every year. They start out strong, look unbeatable, get beat, lose consecutive games, what's wrong with the Colts?, bounce back and play like a contender going into the playoffs. Why is that? I don't know, but my leading theory is that Peyton Manning is an annoying horse-faced hick.

I do know this. The Colts took out the whupping stick and laid it on the Bucs earlier this year and no one else has come even close to doing that. They were definitely head and shoulders above Tampa that game and I think the Bucs can hang with most of the teams in the NFL. That said, even though they kept it close with New England, I never really felt like the Patriots were using everything in their arsenal to win that game. I mean, they didn't even throw deep to Moss until late in the fourth quarter. How strange is that? It felt like one of those games where they didn't want to reveal too much to a likely playoff opponent.

If I had to rate the teams right now, I'd probably put Dallas at #2 and Indy at #3, but I don't know that I'd pick Dallas if they played each other. I'm not sure that given time to prepare, Wade Phillips can hold his own against Tony Dungy (or Evil Bill, for that matter). Romo, though, is amazing. How does he go undrafted?

What'd you all think of that pass to Winslow? I think they made absolutely the wrong call and the Browns should've won that game.

Edit 3: Also, I feel bad for any Saints fan. How horrendous was that play call at the end of the game?

Edit 1: I hate college football. I've decided that this year. I think the whole system is stupid. I hate that you can wait all year for it and then watch your team lose in week one and your season is essentially over (except for this year). I hate that they pretend like anyone that has national title hopes gives a crap about their conference championship as anything other than a stepping stone. Does anyone really believe that a team like USC cares about winning their conference? That their fans care about winning it? It's a letdown unless it's a prelude to the national title. The only teams that care about their conferences are smaller schools that have no shot at the big game or teams that are turning it around. Like, my mighty Knights of UCF...winning the Conference USA was a big deal. But if we ever become a national powerhouse, will we care about that? Of course not. College football only exists as a betting source.

Edit 2: Also, it doesn't help that my least favorite team (Ohio State) is playing the team that least deserves to be there (LSU) with the most overrated, awful coach (Les Miles).

On an unrelated note, Zach, please post your really awesome limit hand from yesterday. I know minbet poker is lame, but seriously, it is fantastic.

Naismith wanted me to post this hand:

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
2 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with
Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4SB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4BB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6BB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: 6BB

BB Shows 8c 4h

I love the above hand because I thought I either misread it or that Zach was messing with me.

I love it becuase when he asked how this was possible, I informed him that his mistake was making such small bets. I told him that nobody folds for minraises.

I think this year fully proves why the BCS system doesn't work - it's not like there are totally dominant teams anymore, Div I is saturated to the point that good players go to lesser known schools so they can actually PLAY football.










re: Edit 1 - the best part is that not every conference has a title game - so if you lose your title game after running the table during regular season, you potentially LOSE your bowl spot. But if you're in a conference that doesn't have a title game, you basically wait to see who loses in their conference title games to sneak their way into a bowl game they have no business being in!

re: Edit 2 - THAT is what pisses me off the most. I'm not even going to say that LSU and Hawaii are comparable teams but Hawaii is undefeated this year - LSU has lost 2 games - and they argue that they didn't lose in regulation time so they consider themselves undefeated. Give me a ^%^&*ing BREAK. Even teams that only lost 1 game have more of a right (IMO) to play for the national title.


SO done with the BCS...I love college football but camman. this is rediculous.

The message is, "No matter what you do, WAC schools, you will never have a chance to play for the National Championship".

Not only a horrible play call but instead of being 1 game out with 4 play they are now 3 out and basically done. I can't imagine what was possibly running through his head when he called that play.




beautiful




Also the bigger schools are limited in the scholarships they can give out because of title IX, they used to be able to give out as many as they could afford. It's definately getting to the point where upsets are going to happen more often.

Ty for coming back and clinching the division for us

I really don't think this could be true. I don't think that in any universe that Kansas should appear in a title game over LSU. Kansas didn't beat anyone. They had one of the weakest strength of schedules in all of the NCAA and they lost to the only ranked opponent they played.

LSU on the other hand has played a super tough schedule with a ranked conference opponent almost every week. Yes they lost twice. Does it count that they lost in 3 OTs each time? I don't really think so. A loss is a loss.

The fact is that I think that LSU is one of the 2 best teams in the country. I think the title game should've been LSU-Oklahoma or something just because I think Ohio State is a joke. Teams shouldn't be rewarded for not playing any real opponents. I'm not saying that a schedule like LSU's excuses losses, becuase it doesn't, but in this year, with nobody stepping up and running the table, I think that LSU is as deserving, if not more deserving than any team because of the year that they've had.

For the record: I'm not even an LSU fan. I just like watching good games.

I don't know what that means. Does this mean you're a fan of whoever is leading the Bear's division?

Oh, you must be a Green Bay fan?

Why do you think NoBBiR and I e-sparred for 2 pages about Thursday night's game?

something else that needs to stop

these preseason polls are fucking joke, can we please stop these now? They make it alot harder for a team that isn't highly though of before the season to move up in the polls. Notre Dame #22 and picked to go 10-3 bwahahahaha. Michigan #2 picked to go 11-2 ( Ohio State listed as 6 but 12-1, does this make any sense?). Louisville #11

Please stop this, the polls shouldn't start until the BCS rankings start. Somewhere around week 5 or 6 I think.

You do realize that for the most part, I don't read this thread. I come and post in it and might read what's on the current page, but there's no way I'm backtracking to find all of the stuff missed in the BAW thread

C'mon, I had a good read. You care about the Bears losing cause you like GB. That's all that counts!

The best part about the play is that it wasn't enough for them to just turn it over, they decided they wanted to be really helpful and throw it fifteen yards back so the Bucs would be in field goal range.

And Acid, you clearly haven't watched enough LSU games. LSU is lucky not to have four losses. They are poorly coached and belong nowhere near the title game.

The records were their 2006 record, hence Michigan being 11-2 and OSU being 12-1.

I agree that they should wait about 4 weeks to do the 1st poll. This will never change though obviously.

I have watched more of their games than other teams simply becuase they've had so many nationally televised games against top opponents. I am not gonna say that they couldn't easily have 4 losses, but if you're gonna argue that point, then you could equally argue that they're just as close to being undefeated.

I think the point everyone is making is...why isn't UCF in the BCS Championship Game? Conference USA > Big Ten!

you can't really penalize a team because of their schedule either, Ohio State can't help that most of the Big 10 sucks. Under the current system Ohio State has to go since they play in a BCS conference and only have 1 loss against another BCS team.

Hopefully this is the year that really pushes a playoff system. There is a yahoo arcticle about the matchups if they used the same system as the other NCAA divisions. It would be so much fun to watch those games.

I can't penalize them cause the Big Ten sucks, but I can becuase they select their non-conference schedule.

For example, if you want to be taken seriously as a Big Ten team, you should have a relatively tough non-conference schedule becuase your conference sucks.
If you're in the SEC (or any similarly tough conference, not that one exists) then you have more leeway to schedule a weaker non-conference slate since your conference games are so tough.

Every good team should play other good teams and have several "gimme" games, like Michigan-Appalachin State.

This thread's cool factor has been going down. Probably because I've been posting in it less. This thread's cool factor hit rock bottom when talk of college football began.

Worst.

Sport.

Ever.

They make their schedules years in advance. Traveling to the west coast to play Washington may have looked like a good game at the time. The last two years they have played a home & away series with Texas. The next two years they do the same with Southern Cal, after that with Miami (which they agreed to after the 2002 national championship game).

That leaves you with 3 games, which every team the calibre of Ohio St schedules teams that are willing to travel to Columbus for a guaranteed check to help pay for the athletic budget and take a 42-3 beatdown. I hate when people make this argument, I'm sure they'd play UGA if UGA was willing to travel to Columbus, but Georgia is busy playing Wofford at home. They make too money playing home games, OSU makes something like 5 million just in ticket sales, concessions ect for 1 game

Agreed.

I might care if Drexel U had a team...

If you eliminated the BCS and came up with a tournament it would be hands down the best sport ever.

I went to the USF-West Virginia game and the stadium was louder and had more energy than any Bucs game, including the playoff game I went to a few years ago.

Even though I constantly rip on OSU's ooc schedule this year it really isn't there fault, they do try to schedule good opponents for a home and home, this was just an off year for them because they were playing Washington instead of a top team like they have the last few years and will be in the future (unless Miami keeps being the 4th best team in Florida).

they need to kick Minnesota and N'Western out of the big 10. I'm all for relegation or whatever you soccer fans call it.

Relegation is the greatest thing in sports. I wish I liked soccer enough to watch, but then Newcastle would get relegated in my first year.

UCF to the Big Ten!

I disagree, but I'm obviously a jaded, biased, Cowboys fan.



BCS blows. Playoff style would make the NCAA so much more interesting, plus generate extra $$$.



To quote Yoda randomly,
"...That is why you fail"



Essentially, thats true. If there was a playoff type post season like in the NFL, instead of 1 game that matters and then a bunch of games that are for people who aren't good enough, people would watch a lot more.

Why do you think NCAA Basketball is soo popular? March Madness man, that shit is exciting.