HORSE - 7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx Q:heart:___raises
Seat 2: xx xx J:club:___folds
Hero: 3:spade: 5:spade: 6:spade:___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 4:spade:___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4:heart:___bets___calls
Seat 6: xx xx J:heart:___folds
Seat 7: xx xx T:heart:___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 5:club:___folds

4th Street - (8.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx Q:heart: 9:spade:___bets
Hero: 3:spade: 5:spade: 6:spade: 2:club:___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 4:spade: 9:diamond:___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 4:heart: 4:club:___checks___calls

5th Street - (5.90 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx Q:heart: 9:spade: 3:diamond:___checks___folds
Hero: 3:spade: 5:spade: 6:spade: 2:club: 8:spade:___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 4:heart: 4:club: 8:club:___checks___calls

6th Street - (7.90 BB)

Hero: 3:spade: 5:spade: 6:spade: 2:club: 8:spade: K:club:___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 4:heart: 4:club: 8:club: 6:diamond:___bets___calls

River - (11.90 BB)

Hero: 3:spade: 5:spade: 6:spade: 2:club: 8:spade: K:club: 7:spade:___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 4:heart: 4:club: 8:club: 6:diamond: xx___checks___calls

Total pot: (13.90 BB)


How vulnerable is my low? OBV. hit the perfect 7th but that doesn't happen very often.

Not very vulnerable. He's betting on a high hand. He might have a low draw to go with it of course, but you have a few of his outs, and you have a pretty decent one at this point in the hand. My guess his he had a big down pair to complete with, and two pair on 4th, which makes me highly doubt he has any low draw at all, of course if he has Aces, he's live, but it could be queens or jacks as much as it could be aces. I think your line's fine.

I personally would have jammed with this hand more early, I would have jammed as much as possible on 3rd and 4th streets, you have an extremely powerful hand..

Bigmcgee lets talk about this more ok. I don't ever jam with lows so that more limpers follow me. Micro stud hilo on horse is seriously passive and I want 5 people limping in and 5 people that will call me down with their pair of 5s you know? I can't imagine it would ever be smart to jam and knock people out of the pot from 5th street down. They'll call 1 bet with just about any cards but most of them will actually stare at other peoples cards if they are faced with two bets or more lol. I just call down my low draws from 5th then crank it up every time it seems to work just rinse and repeat

well, I was talking about 3rd street and fourth street. I don't think raising in the mirco lvl here is going to "knock anyone out" It's been my experience in micro lvl stud/8, particularlly horse, people are playing if they are playing I feel jamming on early rounds builds the pot.. you have a powerful hand, and a powerful two way draw, i think you jam for value, not to knock people out. Hands like three straight flush cards are super powerful and they play well heads up or against a large field. * shrugs* for example, the two fours that call behind you. IF they have three wheel cards, they aren't folding to your raise anyway.

On fourth street, again I don't think you can go wrong with a raise here. You have a fantastic two way draw, and many cards can improve the two way draw ( like the eight) And if you knock out a hand like A244, that can only improve your scoop chances ( It's doubtful you would knock out a hand like that in these lower levels) and if a pair of fours and 3 low cards wants to chase, so be it. I'm just, philosophically against playing powerful two way hands and two way draws passively, I think you lose value. Many people worry about "losing" people, but A) getting your hand heads up against a one way hand with dead money in the pot isn't exactly the worst thing in the world and on early streets, raises generally don't knock people out like they would in a higher lvl of stud/8. Just my two cents.

also, another important aspect of this is that sometimes people (falsely) will label you a maniac when you're jamming on early streets, and both call your jamming (erroniously), call you down more on later streets (both because of a wild image, and because of the size of the pot now is larger than it would have been) and will raise and re raise you more liberally on later streets ( which is sweet)

Mostly I think it's important to jam early for value, how ever. You really, realy don't have to worry about keeping people in the pot in early streets of low limit razz, IMO something like three suited babies is a favorite to most hands, or a coin flip... against a field of people it's going to have the lion's share of the EV, so I think you need to extract value out of the raggy lows and the one way high hands. If you're against some hand like AA2, or 777, well.. then whip saw everyone else in the pot along for the ride, you two are splitting up everyones money, pretty much.

The key there is that the low card open completed, if it had just been a standard bring-in, I by all means raise, but against an open completion, that's two bets cold, and not too many people will stay in there, even in micro. Plus we have a raiser in front of us, if we three bet, that guarantees we get no more than 3-handed.

I jam third. Even if we lose one bet form the guy on our left, we get two more into the pot, and potentially fold a competing low draw. Fourth is another matter. If the open bet comes form my right still, I wouldn't raise there since I dont want to lose anyone. So I half agree with BigD. I raise a third like this all day and all night, but I call on fourth.

The way I would have palyed the hand, I wouldn't probably have been facing a bet to my right, because he would have checked to me when I jamed on 3rd... and I would have bet. The benefit of jamming, is this is a hand you definately want to see 5th street, no matter what, so, dependeding on where the high card is, they often check to you... and you can bet if you improve, or check and hope for ( or recieve ) a free card

I think we agree. Third is jamming time, and 4th probably plays differently. On fourth, I want as many bets as I think everyone will be compelled to call. That's opening if we get the chance, but just calling if the guy on the right leads into us. Raise if guy on our left bets or raises and we get calls in the middle. Punish one way hands and weak draws. Standard relative position concepts from SSHE (or most other limit sources) as applied to stud.