Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $44.55
UTG+1: $10.35
Hero: $41.65
Button: $25.15
SB: $15.35
BB: $20.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q K T Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, Button folds, SB raises to $2.8, BB folds, Hero raises to $9.5, SB raises all-in $15.35, Hero calls.

no reason not to just call his original raise here he obviously isnt folding once he raises and your almost always a slight dog in this spot. How did it turn out?

My only thought process here was that he's obv on aces. There are SO many hands that hit mine postflop that I'm probably not getting away from it anyways, with him being so short SO - I might as well try and get him committed preflop and not give HIM a chance to get off his hand. Does that theory make any sense? I was hoping for the basic AAxx, maybe single suited, hopefully red. Anyone have a good odds calc to figure that out?

Found one. 60/40, sorta like having AK v unders.

Results

Omaha Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards .... win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Ts Kc Qc 442997 40.79 643011 59.21 0 0.00 0.408
8c Ad 2d Ah 643011 59.21 442997 40.79 0 0.00 0.592

If you just call his reraise preflop, the pot is about $6 and less than a pot bet+raise away from all in. If he bets pot (he has to act first) he won't be folding very often no matter what the flop.

Just calling preflop allows us to re-evaluate on the flop. Sure there are lots of combo draws that we can hit and will get all in with, but there are some nasty flops (ie Axx, 22x through 99x, all red cards, etc) where we will be glad we aren't committed already.




40% equity isn't all that good considering near random (trash, but playable) hands have 30%ish equity against aces. This number also falls quickly if he has other big cards or one of our flush draws.

The AK analogy also doesn't hold because part of the value of AK in Hold'em is that there is fold equity when we push against the low and mid pairs. Against AAxx (even KKxx for some guys) they are the ones glad to get it all in against us.

I fully agree with your whole post KH. That was sorta my thought RIGHT after the hand, and why I posted it. The ak analogy was what was going through my head while playing the hand, then when I actually thought about it more in depth thought holy fk - that was not the brightest move.

No worries, the good thing about PLO is that you can make a pretty boneheaded blunder preflop and still be in good to great shape Gotta have some gambooool... Avoiding tilt when your aces get cracked is important though.

+1

i don't like this line of thinking. you want to get it in behind because if the flop is good for you he might find a fold?

--fmop