http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...c=28876&hl=

Came across this and found it helpful.

Very true stuff.

Position = money in your pocket.

Super System II (Lyle Berman, p 429)
Position is incredibly important in pot-limit Omaha, maybe more so than in any other poker game.

How Good is Your Pot-Limit Omaha? (Stewart Reuben, 2003) p. 22

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It is true that I am out of position, but I do have a major hand. The very least I should do is put pressure on the big blind. Position is much less important in Omaha high than it is in hold'em or Omaha high-low.

WTF?

Smash should come back and start posting again.

Do you see why?

Good luck.

There's no way position is more important in O8 than Omaha Hi.

Especially in limit.

I'm sure in PL, it's important in O8, but even then.

I don't understand why one must be more important than the other anyway.

Cuz I said so?

Also, why are you never on MSN anymore?

I am usually appearing offline while playing poker.

Missed me?

Reuben's been a pro forever and has been published and all that. I think the NL/PL book is gold.

Is it possible he still doesn't know what he's talking about? WTF?

position is more important (relatively speaking) in plo8 than plo because scooping pots is more valuable and more difficult to do in that game. it's not even close. you can beat most plo8 games totally blind if you play position properly. not true of omaha hi. of course, that's not to say that position is useless in omaha hi, either--it's valuable for the same reasons as in plo8, it's just less so in every case.

in limit variations of omaha, position matters very, very little in either hi low or straight high, as being OOP lends value to isolation c/rs, etc., which nearly makes up for having the button, especially in games when the button will bet if checked to over half the time.

Very recently I had a "position awakening" as I like to call it. I posted 3 hands that I ended up winning, but that were a pain in the ass to play. I played them ALL from oop, and bud was good enough to point it out to me. Prior to that post, my stats were 30/4/1.5 over about 8000 hands at .25 plo. Ever since then, I've become the uber-position nazi, for lack of a better word. In 3k hands since that day, I've run consistently at 25/10/3 and beaten the game for 15bb/100. I'm playing more selectively, when in position, and pushing those hands harder. It's a hell of a lot easier than having to check/call and pay to draw at hands from oop. Trust me.

are drawing hands generally more comfortable to play in position? of course, that's true of any game. in plo, though, the pots get so big that often you're making the decision to get all your chips in the middle on the flop since a bricked turn annihilates your equity, and that's actually sometimes easier from OOP. the lines you have to take from the blinds may seem more difficult, but that's not to say that they're not profitable. you just have to advertise for them well enough to make sure you get action when you want it.

I just want to say that while the general idea Smash is trying to get across here is very important and helpful, especially to beginners (that position is very important in PLO and much more so than NLHE), almost everything he says is wrong. There are still a lot of hands that can be played profitably OOP and if you folded every hand from the blinds, you'd be sacrificing so much equity that it would be impossible to beat a mid-stakes game.

The only time that being OOP is such a huge advantage that it can't be overcome is when you play completely straightforward and never mix up your play. Plays like C/Ring the turn with the betting lead or leading out when the flush hits after you C/Ced the flop with a wrap can negate the positional advantage almost completely.