There are a lot of borderline spots, say if you're in the hijack with QQ87 or something where it doesn't really matter what you do. If bdc would just follow this rule, he'd be fine though:

-Any hand that's worth playing from UTG (in 6-max) should be raised from the CO or the Button unless the pot is raised already.

I think if you follow that rule, it's almost impossible for your PFR not to reach at least 10. And I don't think it could ever hurt your game compared to playing all passive preflop.

Can we elaborate on this as a group? What hands should I be playing from UTG? I'm not playing many and I'm limping very few. If I'm doing anything from UTG or UTG+1, I'm raising it most often. Should I be limping hands there?

I think where I limp most is from button/cutoff when there are already ~2 limpers and I have a good multiway hand, OR a hand that I can get rid of easily with position, such as TT45, A578 single suited, stuff like that, where I wouldn't play it from UTG, and I'm not raising it in to 4 players. Is this correct?

What do you mean by good multiway hands? Things like JJT9ss, all the mid/high wrap hands, KQ89ds, etc. should be a raise there every time.

I'll look in my database for some examples.

Oh, and if you can get hold of some cardrunners videos they are priceless. SBrugby and Stinger are great, great teachers.

By multi-way I meant hands like QQxx, JJxx, two pair hands, etc, where I could pop top set against a couple of limpers and be hidden against their middle sets, etc. (just as an example)

******* Hand 1 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $33.55
UTG+1: $129.10
Hero: $50
Button: $165.20
SB: $48.40
BB: $52.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 5 A T 6
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $2.25, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 4 3 K ($5.25, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5.25, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 2 ($15.75, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $15.75, UTG+1 raises to $31.5, Hero raises all-in $42.5, UTG+1 calls.

River: J ($100.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $100.75)


Results:
Final pot: $100.75
Hero showed 5c Ah Tc 6h
UTG+1 showed 8h As 5d Qc


******* Hand 2 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $177.85
UTG+1: $129.1
CO: $25.40
Hero: $50.65
SB: $24.10
BB: $49

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 2 7 9 J
CO folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB calls.

Flop: 6 7 J ($4, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $16, Hero raises to $32, SB calls all-in $6.35.
Uncalled bets: $9.65 returned to Hero.

Turn: 6 ($58.35, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $48.7, Sidepot 1: $9.65)


River: 9 ($58.35, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $48.7, Sidepot 1: $9.65)


Results:
Final pot: $58.35
Hero showed 2h 7d 9h Jd
SB showed 6c 9c 5s Jh


******* Hand 3 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $51.05
UTG+1: $75.70
CO: $133.25
Hero: $71.55
SB: $153.95
BB: $75.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A 3 Q 2
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $2.25, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: 8 3 3 ($7, 3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $7, BB folds, CO raises to $28, Hero raises all-in $69.3, CO calls.

Turn: 4 ($145.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $145.6)


River: 6 ($145.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $145.6)


Results:
Final pot: $145.6
Hero showed As 3s Qc 2c
CO showed Tc Ac 3c 2h


******* Hand 4 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $18.50
UTG+1: $164.35
CO: $20
Hero: $84.15
SB: $17
BB: $53.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 7 T Q 8
2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises to $2.25, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: T 3 9 ($7, 3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls, CO folds.

Turn: 5 ($21, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: 2 ($21, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $21
Hero showed 7d Tc Qc 8h
BB showed Kd Ac 5h Kc


******* Hand 5 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
Hero: $58.30
Button: $19.30
SB: $46.70
UTG+1: $164.35
BB: $51.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 4 5 4 A
UTG (poster) checks, Hero raises to $2.25, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 3 6 7 ($9.25, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $9.25, Button raises all-in $17.05, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls $7.8 (pot was $52.6).

Turn: 9 ($60.4, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $60.4)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: Q ($60.4, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $60.4)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $60.4
Button showed Jd Qc 2d Ac
BB mucks Kh 7h 3d 6s
Hero mucks 4h 5h 4d Ad


******* Hand 6 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $52.30
UTG+1: $36.55
CO: $122.10
Hero: $48.25
SB: $165.55
BB: $50.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K Q 8 7
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: K 5 5 ($5.25, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: T ($5.25, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2.6, CO calls.

River: 3 ($10.45, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $10.45
Hero showed Kc Qd 8h 7h
CO showed Kh 3s 3c Qs


******* Hand 7 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $45.75
UTG+1: $36.10
CO: $50
Hero: $150.25
SB: $35.25
BB: $55.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 2 8 7 8
2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: J 7 9 ($5.25, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: K ($5.25, 2 players)
CO bets $2.6, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $2.6 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $5.25


******* Hand 8 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $32
Hero: $58.75
SB: $34.85
CO: $50
Hero: $150.25
BB: $44.25

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 7 9 8 6
UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 8 5 A ($5.25, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.25, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: $5.25 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $5.25


******* Hand 9 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $55.20
CO: $21.05
Hero: $150.25
Hero: $58.80
SB: $61.70
BB: $78.85

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J 6 4 5
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: K 7 7 ($3.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $3 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $3.75

Some raised pair hands:



******* Hand 10 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $35.55
UTG+1: $95
CO: $67
Hero: $47.50
SB: $121.15
BB: $91.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K 9 9 A
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero raises to $2.75, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: 4 7 T ($9, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 5 ($9, 3 players)
UTG+1 bets $4.5, CO calls, Hero folds.

River: 6 ($18, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $9, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $36
UTG+1 showed 5s As 6h 8d
CO mucks 3d Jd 2s Ts


******* Hand 11 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $47.70
CO: $54.55
CO: $67
Hero: $50
SB: $38.25
BB: $81.60

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with K Q A Q
UTG calls, CO calls, Hero raises to $2.75, 2 folds, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: T Q A ($9, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $9, Hero raises to $36, 2 folds.
Uncalled bets: $27 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $27


******* Hand 12 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $71.65
UTG+1: $48.95
CO: $161.60
Hero: $49
SB: $34.30
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A T T 9
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $2.75, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: 8 3 5 ($13.75, 5 players)
SB bets $6.85, 2 folds, CO calls, Hero folds.

Turn: 6 ($27.45, 2 players)
SB bets $13.7, CO raises to $27.4, SB calls all-in $11.
Uncalled bets: $2.7 returned to CO.

River: T ($76.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $76.85)


Results:
Final pot: $76.85
CO showed 5h 4c Qh 4s
SB showed 2c As Ad Kh


******* Hand 13 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $18.80
BB: $100
Hero: $50.10
Button: $65.35
SB: $106.90
BB: $67.85

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 7 7 J J
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8 3 J ($4, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: $4 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $4


******* Hand 14 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $53.65
UTG+1: $51.80
Hero: $69.40
Button: $38.75
SB: $77.75
BB: $54.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J J 9 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: K 2 7 ($4, 2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2 (pot was $6).

Turn: 4 ($8, 2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $4 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $8


******* Hand 15 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $35.05
UTG: $53.65
Hero: $49.25
Button: $80.75
SB: $51.35
BB: $45.65

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with T 8 J T
UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.25, 4 folds.
Uncalled bets: $1.75 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $1.75


******* Hand 16 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $135
UTG: $53.65
Hero: $70.55
Button: $169.05
SB: $139.85
BB: $44.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 7 Q Q K
UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.25, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 9 8 2 ($7.25, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 9 ($7.25, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: 6 ($7.25, 3 players)
SB bets $3.6, UTG folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $3.6 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $7.25


******* Hand 17 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $12.50
UTG+1: $16.10
CO: $63.85
Hero: $283.15
SB: $14.25
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 4 Q J J
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.25, 3 folds.
Uncalled bets: $1.75 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $1.75


******* Hand 18 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $63.40
UTG+1: $46
Hero: $49.25
Button: $41.55
SB: $55.80
BB: $86.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q 7 Q 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: A 4 8 ($5.25, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 7 ($5.25, 3 players)
SB bets $5.25, BB calls, Hero folds.

River: 2 ($15.75, 2 players)
SB bets $7.85, BB raises to $22, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $59.75
BB showed 5h 6c Kh Ah
SB mucks Jd 4s 4d 9s


******* Hand 19 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $49.25
CO: $27.35
CO: $49.25
Hero: $83.85
SB: $17.10
BB: $129.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T 5 Q Q
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $2, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: 2 6 2 ($6.25, 4 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls.

Turn: 7 ($18.25, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: A ($18.25, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.
Uncalled bets: $7 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $18.25


******* Hand 20 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $33.50
UTG+1: $7.75
Hero: $49.80
Button: $58.80
SB: $51.70
BB: $139.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q T T 9
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $2.75, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: A K A ($9, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 is all-in $5, Hero folds, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $5 returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: $9


******* Hand 21 ********

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25.65
Hero: $54.90
UTG+1: $7.75
CO: $49.8
SB: $57.80
BB: $20.90

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 9 2 T 9
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: K 7 3 ($3.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.5, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $2.5 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $3.75

You don't need to be as aggro as that, but you should definitely be playing a good number of those like I was preflop.

Just look at how many of those hands get checked to me on the flop (something like 75% of them). I can decide whether to bet or to check. I get the power in the hand. I have control.

(I didn't select these hands for positive or negative outcome - they were just the first ones I found in the db having raised preflop in LP)

Wow, thanks Simo, I wasn't expecting that volume of information. Will have to dissect when I'm home from work.

PokerEV makes it pretty simple to filter them all out.

One thing that I've always considered when playing, is that I should be the kind of player I have trouble playing against. I think it's a concept that not many people really think about.

Playing raised pots out of position without the betting lead is hell, so I try to make other people play them.

What filters/combinations do you use? I'm really not all that familiar with it.

For those hands?

Position at most 1 off the button
Action preflop is a raise

That gets my late pos. preflop raises to look through, then to separate from those hands just the pairs, I added

Include hands 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK
Exclude hands AA


Brought up all non aces hands with high pairs which I've raised in late position.

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Success? Can I play poker again? There are two possibilities:

1) I can and will start playing more hours and TPMM
2) I try to play, disconnect with the nuts, then start swearing and throwing things

Quick session today, only put in about 350 hands. Work getting in the way of poker, again...Nothing major as far as hands or stats, I was about 24/7/2.5 today. The one thing I do like is that the winnings and showdown winnings lines are closer together, and there are a few spots in there where it looks like I won decent sized pots without showdown, which as I'm sure Simo knows, is unlike the "old" me....lol

...and since the all important (to me) 7th...

What a crazy session. Only had time for ~115 hands today. Dropped a buyin almost instantly, then had a huge turnaround. Back in to the green for the month at 50 now! Woot!

If it holds, this will be my first five-figure month since January. I guess it's easy to never tilt when you're running good, but I really feel like I've turned a corner and am on the path to a life of hookers and blow from here on out.



This is about 60% at $0.5/$1 and 40% at $1/$2 by the way.

So, I plan to join the ranks of the FCP PLO players soon. I have been playing a little bit (recognized Iggy's SN at the tables but didn't realize it was from here) and I'm gonna probably start posting some PLO hands the more I play. I feel that I'm a marginal player right now, but that I am a small winner becuase a lot of the competition I've been playing at 1/2 is so weak. We'll see how things go from here on out since I'll be playing a mix of PLO and NLHE on Stars and FT.

Any PLO Book Recommondations?

I have Rolf Slotboom's book and I've read a bunch of other random things and a lot of forum stuff, but I'm looking for any and all advice.

Thanks.

There's not really much out there in terms of good PLO books. There's some good advice in the Omaha forum on 2+2 (it's a little higher volume than this one), but a lot of it you just have to pick up yourself intuitively. The best simple one sentence advice I could give is just to be aggressive. There are a lot of break-even players out there that could be winning players or small winners that could be big winners if they'd bet and raise a little more and check and call a little less.

Read the first 42 pages of this thread. Do the opposite of what I did. Listen to iggy and simo. Play aggressive. Win mobneys.

Watch SBrugby's PLO vids. They are the best PLO teaching tool I've ever come across.

Also, propokertools.com has a great equity calculator for PLO (allows you to work out equity against ranges rather than just individual hands).

Today:

Biggest losing hands:

******* Hand 1 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.30
UTG+1: $24.75
CO: $11.85
Button: $120.35
LuckBox: $51.50
BB: $38.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) LuckBox is SB with T 8 7 9
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, LuckBox raises to $3, BB folds, UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Flop: 8 7 7 ($10, 3 players)
LuckBox bets $6, UTG raises all-in $25.3, Button folds, LuckBox calls $19.3 (pot was $41.3).

Turn: Q ($60.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $60.6)


River: 2 ($60.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $60.6)


Results:
Final pot: $60.6
LuckBox showed Tc 8c 7h 9d
UTG showed 8d 8h Ah 3d


******* Hand 2 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $58.45
UTG+1: $20
CO: $164.30
LuckBox: $164.50
SB: $19.50
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) LuckBox is Button with K 8 J 3
UTG, folds, UTG+1 (poster) checks, CO folds, LuckBox raises to $2.25, SB raises to $7.75, 2 folds, LuckBox calls $5.5 (pot was $10.25).

Flop: Q 6 8 ($16.5, 2 players)
SB is all-in $11.75, LuckBox calls $11.75 (pot was $28.25).

Turn: T ($40, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $40)


River: Q ($40, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $40)


Results:
Final pot: $40
LuckBox showed Kh 8d Jh 3d
SB showed 5s 4d Ac Ad


******* Hand 3 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $57.60
CO: $173.80
Button: $15.80
CO: $164.3
LuckBox: $50
BB: $58

Pre-flop: (5 players) LuckBox is SB with 4 J T K
UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls, LuckBox raises to $2.5, 2 folds, Button calls.

Flop: 8 4 K ($6, 2 players)
LuckBox bets $6, Button calls.

Turn: 5 ($18, 2 players)
LuckBox bets $9, Button calls all-in $7.3.
Uncalled bets: $1.7 returned to LuckBox.

River: Q ($32.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $32.6)


Results:
Final pot: $32.6
LuckBox showed 4d Jh Th Kd
Button showed Ts 5d 9s 9c

I thought of you today Simo -- I had a wireless disconnectament while 4-tabling with a big pot brewing. LFT ensued.

Biggest winning hands:


******* Hand 1 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $45.15
LuckBox: $50
CO: $93.90
Button: $38.70
SB: $55.30
BB: $22.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) LuckBox is UTG+1 with Q J 8 6
UTG calls, LuckBox raises to $2.25, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 6 8 5 ($7, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, LuckBox bets $7, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: J ($21, 2 players)
UTG checks, LuckBox bets $21, UTG raises all-in $35.9, LuckBox calls $14.9 (pot was $77.9).

River: 4 ($92.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $92.8)


Results:
Final pot: $92.8
UTG showed 5c Ts 8s Qc
LuckBox showed Qh Jc 8h 6c


******* Hand 2 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
LuckBox: $45.15
UTG+1: $50
LuckBox: $56.15
Button: $64.35
SB: $50.65
BB: $44

Pre-flop: (4 players) LuckBox is UTG with A T J Q
LuckBox raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 8 A 9 ($3.75, 2 players)
BB checks, LuckBox bets $3.75, BB calls.

Turn: Q ($11.25, 2 players)
BB checks, LuckBox bets $11.25, BB raises all-in $38.5, LuckBox calls $27.25 (pot was $61).

River: 5 ($88.25, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $88.25)


Results:
Final pot: $88.25
LuckBox showed As Td Jc Qs
BB showed Ac Qh 7h 7c


******* Hand 3 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $158.70
UTG: $45.15
UTG+1: $50
LuckBox: $120.25
SB: $40.70
BB: $35.40

Pre-flop: (4 players) LuckBox is Button with 6 A K 5
UTG calls, LuckBox raises to $2, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: K 2 3 ($6.5, 3 players)
UTG checks, LuckBox bets $6.5, SB raises to $18.5, UTG folds, LuckBox raises to $68.5, SB calls all-in $20.2.
Uncalled bets: $29.8 returned to LuckBox.

Turn: 3 ($83.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $83.9)


River: 2 ($83.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $83.9)


Results:
Final pot: $83.9
LuckBox showed 6h Ah Kc 5c
SB showed 9d 8s Td Ks


******* Hand 4 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $45.80
UTG+1: $50
LuckBox: $128.50
Button: $40.35
SB: $35.55
BB: $54

Pre-flop: (5 players) LuckBox is CO with T K K Q
UTG folds, LuckBox raises to $1.75, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 9 7 8 ($5.5, 3 players)
BB bets $2.75, LuckBox calls $2.75 (pot was $8.25), Button calls.

Turn: J ($13.75, 3 players)
BB checks, LuckBox bets $9.5, Button folds, BB calls.

River: 2 ($32.75, 2 players)
BB checks, LuckBox bets $20, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $72.75
LuckBox showed Tc Kc Ks Qs
BB mucks Td 8h 8s Jh


******* Hand 5 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Button: $76.25
SB: $8
LuckBox: $54
UTG: $45.8
UTG+1: $50
LuckBox: $68.45

Pre-flop: (3 players) LuckBox is BB with J K T K
Button raises to $1, SB calls, LuckBox raises to $4, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: 2 8 7 ($12, 3 players)
SB checks, LuckBox bets $12, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: J ($36, 2 players)
LuckBox checks, Button checks.

River: T ($36, 2 players)
LuckBox checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: $36
LuckBox showed Jh Kh Tc Ks
Button mucks Kc 8s 4d 6c

I had ZERO connection problems, and I was datamining WHILST playing, and I had messenger, PT and PAHUD open.

Looks like they might have solved it (cross fingers).



Oh yeah, and this was nice:

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
LuckBox: $101.35
CO: $16.50
Button: $55.65
SB: $51.40
BB: $165.05

Pre-flop: (5 players) LuckBox is UTG with 8 3 6 4
LuckBox raises to $1.75, CO calls, Button folds, SB raises to $7.5, BB folds, LuckBox calls $5.75 (pot was $11.25), CO raises all-in $16.5, SB raises all-in $51.4, LuckBox calls $43.9 (pot was $75.65).

Flop: J 9 2 ($103.8, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $50, Sidepot 1: $53.8)


Turn: 3 ($103.8, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $50, Sidepot 1: $53.8)


River: 5 ($103.8, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $50, Sidepot 1: $53.8)


Results:
Final pot: $103.8
LuckBox showed
CO showed
SB showed

I just lost 4.5 buyins at a table where a guy was playing with the following stats.
Not much I can do, but I emailed support because this just seemed so ridiculously unreasonable to me.
Let me know what you think.

1/2 6-max PLO on Pokerstars

Total hands :121
VPIP: 90%
Went to SD: 41%
Won at SD: 71%
Preflop raise: 68%
Total AF: 1.9
Total Amt Won: $2328.65

He'd literally pot everything preflop. If you raised, he'd repot usually or call with anything he raised with. I managed to get it AIPF with him on one hand with AAQJds and he had AAT4ss and the flop was J44.

I'm just still shellshocked form this whole thing.

Was it Iggy? Those sound like his kind of stats sometimes.

Please post their reply (and your email) if possible.

Dear Support:

I have been playing at a 1/2 6 max PLO table named "Slipher" against an opponent named The C@t, who according to my pokertracker stats, was running at 90% VPIP, 68% PFR and a total AF of almost 2. Over the 121 hands he was at the table he won +$2328.65 or just under 12 buyins.

I have played poker for a long time and I have not seen someone play almost every hand and win such a large % at showdown. He went to showdown almost 40% of the time and wound up with the best hand almost 70% of the those times.

These statistics just seem unreasonable even given the small sample size.

Please do whatever you do when people report things like this and get back to me.

Thank you,

Acid_Knight (Matt Livingston)




I will post their response when I get it.

Not Farha's.

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...t&p=2069876


That is all.

1) lol.
2) That is possible over a small sample size. It's just really unlikely.

Check his river aggression - if he calls the river with the worst hand at times then it should be just an anomaly.

Also,

3) Please post some of the hands, and of course:

4) Graph or it didn't happen

Oh, and

5) Welcome to the world of PLO. You'll win buyin after buyin and wonder why you ever played NLHE, then you'll drop 10 buyins in 300 hands and wonder if it's even possible to win at this game.

3. I will find some more hands. I posted 2 in my blog.
4. I have poker grapher, but do I need a different one for PLO? It only seems to want to import my PT holdem database. I'd love to post some of the stuff for your enjoyment.

Yeah, so yesterday, I lost $1085 playing 1/2 PLO and then I won $1072 playing 1/2 NLHE. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Yeah, I couldn't win a pot to save my life yesterday.

Those 2 hands you posted were pretty standard imo Acid. Obv AA vs AA nothing you could do.

I am not sure I like your overpush on the other hand. Yeah, it was a horrid call on his part pf, but if he was in there gambling it is what I would expect to see occasionally. As it turned out you were 40/60, but if he had the fd too it was 25/75. If he has an ugly 2p it is 30/70. Numbers say pushing was probably the correct play. I would imagine against this guy it was an easy decision.

I'm not really complaining about the hands i played against him and especially not the 2 that I posted in my blog there. I know the AA one was marginal and both AA hands were pretty ratty pieces of crap, but that's how he was playing. I mean, short of flopping a set with the AA on that other hand, what am I looking for? Rainbow board would be better I guess. Fewer straight draws? I mean, if I'm laying that down to a guy there who's just got his foot on the gas 100%, i think it's making a mistake.

Most of the money I lost was just missing flops. It's incredible how fast you can burn up money in that game missing flops and then missing your big draws or getting your sets/straights drawn out on.

Oh well.

Yeah, against a guy playing 90/70 you played those perfectly.


I think PokerEV is extremely useful in PLO because, at the very least, you can eliminate the allin luck factor. Once you get to know the program you can really see very easily if you're overplaying draws, if you're overvaluing aces, etc. etc.

Please elaborate. Have the program, have used it, but haven't tooled with it that much.

Sorry Acid, didn't mean to give the impression I thought you were complaining. Even on the 2nd hand analysis the further I went the more I thought it was an easy call.

Tables like that I find a comparison to low limit LHE. Your swings are going to be huge because of quite a few missed hands, but over a huge sample it is def +EV.

Didn't get to play much in Nov due to a minor issue with my FTP account getting shut down, but this is what I got

Big spike is when I ran over a 2/4 table for about 50 hands. Small sample but I ran 41/15/6. Won 15 hands, lost $ on 12 hands. The rest is from 25 or 50. Got a new FTP account set up yesterday so we'll be back at it soon. I don't recall getting my money in bad at 2/4 so that equity adjusted figured has me puzzled. Half of the difference came from 2/4 and 80% of my winnings were at showdown.

edit: so i just went over the 15 hands i have no clue where the neg equity comes in. I had the best hand every time. PokerEV gives me a headache.

Ok, so there isn't much of a PROFIT here, but that wasn't what I was interested in today. I focused on being more aggro overall, and the numbers ended up 26/12/2.3 which I'm sure you know is almost double my normal aggro #'s. What I DID like from this graph though was that after I dropped the buyin(s) early, you can see where I won a few good pots without showdown (and most without hands...lol) and that the actual winnings # was higher than both showdown and equity. Definitely a different type of bdc graph.

Essentially you were getting 100% of pots where you had less than 100% equity. If you got your money in as a 70% favourite in a $500 pot, you will have won $500 when you should have won $350. That's $150 above expectation.

Weeeeeeeeeeeee

You're getting there. It's definitely a far cry from the 35/3 you used to be.

Keep it up. Keep PFR>10 and VPIP<35 and you should be fine. Keep getting more aggro as you become more comfortable with it.

I knew this..seriously....these 6AM nights are starting to have an effect.

niiii hannn suhhh. what a flop

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $71.65
CO: $53.85
Button: $32.15
SB: $30.50
Hero: $49

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A 7 K A
UTG calls, 2 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.5, UTG folds, SB calls.

Flop: 5 5 5 ($13.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13.5, SB calls.

Turn: 8 ($40.5, 2 players)
SB is all-in $10.5, Hero calls.

River: J ($61.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $61.5)


Results:
Final pot: $61.5
SB showed Qs 5d Kd Qh
Hero showed Ad 7c Kh Ah

Wanted to both thank you for the read here and allay your fears on The_C@t having the ability to cheat. I used this info to my advantage last night, doing things like 4-betting with double-suited jacks after his 3-bet. He dropped $1,730 in 180 hands, most of it to me before leaving. The fact that he 1-tabled the last 30-40 minutes makes me think that it might have been all the money he had on Stars.

Dear Matt Livingston (Acid_Knight)

Thank you very much for contacting us in regards to this matter. After reviewing the hand histories in question and previous hand histories regarding the player The_C@t, we have determined that they indeed were in collusion with another player at your table.

Unfortunately, while we were reviewing the details in question, the player The_C@t chip dumped to another player that we are now investigating as well. However, our initial research indicates this player did nothing wrong and will most likely not be punished.

Please feel better knowing we have now closed the account The_C@t and he will no longer be able to play. The other player in question has done nothing wrong and will allowed to continuing playing.

We apologize for the inconvenience and will contact you further should the funds become available again.

Good luck at the tables.

Walter Sobchak
Pokerstars Support

Wow, am I the "other player" in question? Here are some of my hands with the The_C@t:

POKERSTARS GAME #13550678228: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/11/29 - 20:53:08 (ET)
Table 'Oppavia V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: holdemLISA ($354.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Jordi ($201.70 in chips)
Seat 3: fasteddy113 ($207 in chips)
Seat 4: cakechaser ($188.50 in chips)
Seat 5: TheC@T ($935 in chips)
Seat 6: iggymcfly ($276.45 in chips)
cakechaser: posts small blind $1
TheC@T: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iggymcfly [Th Kc 7s 6c]
iggymcfly: calls $2
holdemLISA: calls $2
Jordi: folds
fasteddy113: calls $2
cakechaser: calls $1
TheC@T: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d 8c Jc]
cakechaser: checks
TheC@T: bets $9.50
iggymcfly: raises $28.50 to $38
holdemLISA: folds
fasteddy113: folds
cakechaser: folds
TheC@T: calls $28.50
*** TURN *** [4d 8c Jc] [5c]
TheC@T: checks
iggymcfly: bets $83
TheC@T: raises $249 to $332
iggymcfly: calls $153.45 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4d 8c Jc 5c] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheC@T: shows [Qc 2c Ts 4h] (a flush, Queen high)
iggymcfly: shows [Th Kc 7s 6c] (a flush, King high)
iggymcfly collected $555.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $558.90 | Rake $3
Board [4d 8c Jc 5c Ad]
Seat 1: holdemLISA folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Jordi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: fasteddy113 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: cakechaser (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: TheC@T (big blind) showed [Qc 2c Ts 4h] and lost with a flush, Queen high
Seat 6: iggymcfly showed [Th Kc 7s 6c] and won ($555.90) with a flush, King high

POKERSTARS GAME #13551797800: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/11/29 - 21:57:35 (ET)
Table 'Oppavia V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: holdemLISA ($297.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Jordi ($371.55 in chips)
Seat 3: fasteddy113 ($236.10 in chips)
Seat 4: SCOUSE ($70.50 in chips)
Seat 5: TheC@T ($808.40 in chips)
Seat 6: iggymcfly ($797.40 in chips)
iggymcfly: posts small blind $1
holdemLISA: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iggymcfly [Jh Ah Jd 8c]
Jordi: folds
fasteddy113: folds
SCOUSE: folds
TheC@T: raises $5 to $7
iggymcfly: raises $16 to $23
holdemLISA: folds
TheC@T: calls $16
*** FLOP *** [9h 2c Kh]
iggymcfly: bets $45.60
TheC@T: calls $45.60
*** TURN *** [9h 2c Kh] [Ad]
iggymcfly: bets $136.20
TheC@T: calls $136.20
*** RIVER *** [9h 2c Kh Ad] [2h]
iggymcfly: checks
TheC@T: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
iggymcfly: shows [Jh Ah Jd 8c] (a flush, Ace high)
TheC@T: mucks hand
iggymcfly collected $408.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $411.60 | Rake $3
Board [9h 2c Kh Ad 2h]
Seat 1: holdemLISA (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Jordi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: fasteddy113 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SCOUSE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TheC@T (button) mucked [9d As Qs 4s]
Seat 6: iggymcfly (small blind) showed [Jh Ah Jd 8c] and won ($408.60) with a flush, Ace high

POKERSTARS GAME #13550009131: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/11/29 - 20:15:44 (ET)
Table 'Arpola III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: WiCane ($550.90 in chips)
Seat 2: iggymcfly ($395.05 in chips)
Seat 3: TheC@T ($175 in chips)
Seat 4: Gladys67 ($40 in chips)
Seat 5: X-RAISE ($107 in chips)
Seat 6: Doughdebase ($317.20 in chips)
TheC@T: posts small blind $1
Gladys67: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iggymcfly [5s 3s 5h 7s]
X-RAISE: folds
Doughdebase: raises $5 to $7
WiCane: folds
iggymcfly: calls $7
TheC@T: calls $6
Gladys67: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [9d 3c 6s]
TheC@T: checks
Gladys67: checks
Doughdebase: checks
iggymcfly: bets $26.60
TheC@T: calls $26.60
Gladys67: folds
Doughdebase: folds
*** TURN *** [9d 3c 6s] [5c]
TheC@T: bets $78.20
iggymcfly: calls $78.20
*** RIVER *** [9d 3c 6s 5c] [9h]
TheC@T: checks
iggymcfly: bets $64
TheC@T: calls $63.20 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
iggymcfly: shows [5s 3s 5h 7s] (a full house, Fives full of Nines)
TheC@T: mucks hand
iggymcfly collected $361 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $364 | Rake $3
Board [9d 3c 6s 5c 9h]
Seat 1: WiCane folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: iggymcfly (button) showed [5s 3s 5h 7s] and won ($361) with a full house, Fives full of Nines

POKERSTARS GAME #13550421737: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/11/29 - 20:38:43 (ET)
Table 'Arpola III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: eltoo ($193 in chips)
Seat 2: iggymcfly ($811.30 in chips)
Seat 3: TheC@T ($173.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Gladys67 ($112.55 in chips)
Seat 5: X-RAISE ($111.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Jordi ($184 in chips)
iggymcfly: posts small blind $1
TheC@T: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iggymcfly [Jd 7d 7c 9s]
Gladys67: folds
X-RAISE: folds
Jordi: raises $5 to $7
eltoo: folds
iggymcfly: calls $6
TheC@T: raises $21 to $28
Jordi: folds
iggymcfly: calls $21
*** FLOP *** [6d 5d Js]
iggymcfly: checks
TheC@T: checks
*** TURN *** [6d 5d Js] [6s]
iggymcfly: bets $30
TheC@T: raises $115.15 to $145.15 and is all-in
iggymcfly: calls $115.15
*** RIVER *** [6d 5d Js 6s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
iggymcfly: shows [Jd 7d 7c 9s] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
TheC@T: mucks hand
iggymcfly collected $350.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $353.30 | Rake $3
Board [6d 5d Js 6s 5c]
Seat 1: eltoo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: iggymcfly (small blind) showed [Jd 7d 7c 9s] and won ($350.30) with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 3: TheC@T (big blind) mucked [Qs 8h 8s Kc]
Seat 4: Gladys67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: X-RAISE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Jordi folded before Flop

POKERSTARS GAME #13550874305: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/11/29 - 21:04:31 (ET)
Table 'Oppavia V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: holdemLISA ($350.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Jordi ($266.20 in chips)
Seat 3: fasteddy113 ($158.85 in chips)
Seat 4: cakechaser ($377 in chips)
Seat 5: TheC@T ($545.20 in chips)
Seat 6: iggymcfly ($449.65 in chips)
Jordi: posts small blind $1
fasteddy113: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iggymcfly [Qs Jc Qh Ah]
cakechaser: folds
TheC@T said, "omg"
TheC@T: raises $5 to $7
iggymcfly: raises $17 to $24
holdemLISA: folds
Jordi: folds
fasteddy113: folds
TheC@T: calls $17
*** FLOP *** [9h 8c 5d]
TheC@T: checks
iggymcfly: bets $40
TheC@T: calls $40
*** TURN *** [9h 8c 5d] [8h]
TheC@T: checks
holdemLISA said, "had flush draw too"
iggymcfly: checks
*** RIVER *** [9h 8c 5d 8h] [3h]
TheC@T: bets $40
iggymcfly: raises $65 to $105
TheC@T: calls $65
*** SHOW DOWN ***
iggymcfly: shows [Qs Jc Qh Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
TheC@T: mucks hand
iggymcfly collected $338 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $341 | Rake $3
Board [9h 8c 5d 8h 3h]
Seat 1: holdemLISA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Jordi (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: fasteddy113 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: cakechaser folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TheC@T mucked [5c 2h Js Jh]
Seat 6: iggymcfly showed [Qs Jc Qh Ah] and won ($338) with a flush, Ace high

They weren't really "chip dumping". More like "him playing bad and me winning".

Wait a minute, I just got leveled really hard didn't I? GG BigLebowski.

BAHAHAHAHA

That's absolutely awesome.