Seriously how do you guys handle this?

Net run of almost negative 5 buy-ins in 600 hands, and 7 straight days of a negative net run of at least 1 buy-in every day. I may have to give up omaha for a while, because I really feel like I'm on the verge of tilting really bad.

I think last week Bundy was down 6 buyins in 300 hands if I recall. It's an ugly game on those days. We've certainly all been there.

What are your stats, etc? Your graphs look pretty good, just looks like you took a couple of coinflip hits for full stacks. Bankroll management ftw, I hope.

FYP

booya - my first hand at this table - calls with 2pr?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $56.90
UTG+1: $17
CO: $149.50
Button: $76.85
SB: $57.20
Hero: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T A J T
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 5 T Q ($7, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $19, UTG folds, CO calls.

Turn: 6 ($45, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $28.75, CO calls.

River: 2 ($102.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $102.5)


Results:
Final pot: $102.5
CO showed Js Qs 9d 5d
Hero showed Td Ad Jh Tc

Another guy wants to play 2pr for his stack. How do these guys not have flush draws at LEAST?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $39.40
Hero: $50
CO: $42.05
Button: $111.10
SB: $82.50
BB: $19.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q 5 K K
UTG folds, Hero calls, CO calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, BB raises to $1, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: 8 K 9 ($3.25, 3 players)
BB bets $3.25, Hero raises to $13, CO folds, BB raises all-in $18.5, Hero calls.

Turn: T ($40.25, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $40.25)


River: 6 ($40.25, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $40.25)


Results:
Final pot: $40.25
BB showed Ad 2d 9c Kc
Hero showed Qs 5h Ks Kd

A tale of two graphs...

First one is Nov 1-6, my first shot at $50, where I was playing like a scared little girl. Stats were 4839 hands, 29% VPIP, 3.93% PFR, 1.6 AF, Lost $397, -8.21 bb/100



This one is Nov 7-15th, since I dropped back to $25, retooled and finally "got it". Stats 3076 hands, 26.69$ VPIP, 6.57% PFR, 1.8 AF, Won $266, +8.65 bb/100



So yes, varience probably factors in, but it can't be a coincidence that I doubled my preflop raise numbers and actually tightened up a bit with hands that I was limping, and the results are completely opposite of when I was super passive preflop. I still have a ways to go, and I know that, but like I say, I really feel like I'm seeing some progress finally, after all this time.


edit..first one seems to be fking up, but just turn the bottom one upside down and you'll get the idea...

Played my first Omaha tourney earlier. Lost half my stack before it sunk in that it was full ring instead of 6-handed, and should probably tighten up.

I think I'll stick to cash games. I can't stand full ring and not being able to rebuy to a full stack.

Just played a 120 hand, 30 minute session.

Couldn't play any longer than that because of the ****ING DISCONNECTIONS!!! It was every other hand on every table.

OMG and I had an absolute 70/20 DONK directly to my right on one table and he was 2 to my right on another. He had 4 buyin stacks on both tables that were coming my way VERY quickly.

Worst bad beat of all - I lost a $170 pot to him, and it DIDNT EVEN SAVE THE ****ING HH BECAUSE OF THE DISCONNECTIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ****ING HAND!

Not being able to post the hand and whine about it must have hurt a lot more than losing a 170$ pot

I've emailed FullTilt and they are sending me my last 2k hands.

It's not that I can't post the hand, it's that I can't PokerEV it. I want to see how bad I ran in those 30 minutes, and I want PT to be fairly accurate with wins and losses.

I know mate , i was just messing

Full Tilt are dumb:

===============================================

Hi,

I have the FullTilt software set to record my hand histories to my hard drive, but I've been having some disconnection problems and it's caused problems with saving some of the hands played (missing stack sizes, missing action, sometimes missing entire hands). Is there any way I can get hold of 'perfect' copies of my HHs for the past few days?

Thanks,

Simo123

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Hello Stuart,

Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

Please let us know exactly how many of your previous hands your require (ex: past 500 hands). If you are constantly being disconnected, please let us know so that we can assist you in fixing any technical difficulties.

If there's anything else we can help you with, please feel free to ask.

Best of luck at the tables!

Regards,

Harry K
Full Tilt Poker Support


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If I could get my last 2000 hands that would be very useful.

I don't think the disconnection problems are caused by FullTilt because I have had similar problems with other sites. However, an overriding problem is that when I disconnect, the software freezes for several seconds and the tables occasionally turn uniform yellow as a result. I think this is likely a fault within your software which makes it impossible for me to play when suffering any kind of connection problems. If I was simply suffering from delayed actions it would not be a significant problem, but the software locking up for 20 seconds at a time is.

Thanks,

Simo123

===============================================

Hello Stuart,

Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

I have attached the requested hand history in a text document to this email.

With that being said, you can obtain a hand history by clicking the "Options" tab in your Full Tilt software then the "Hand History" tab.

Click on the "Save My Hand Histories" box found on the top-left to checkmark it. This will enable your histories to be saved to your computer.

You may change the file that the histories are saved to by clicking the "Change Folder" button and selecting the folder in which you would like your hand histories saved. You can also change the number of days that your hand histories will save for.

Click "OK" when you're finished and you're all set!

Please note that this will not save your past hands. It will only save the future hands that you play since the "Save My Hand Histories" box is checked.

Regarding your disconnection issues, if you are constantly being disconnected, please let us know so that we can assist you in fixing any technical difficulties.

If you run into any problems, please let us know and we will be happy to help. Good luck at the tables! I hope this information will improve your game.

Regards,

Harry K
Full Tilt Poker Support

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Ok. So.

1) I already said in my first email that I do save my HHs, but the disconnections have caused a problem lately. They still tell me how to set up FullTilt so it will save my HHs.

2) I tell them about the disconnections, and the problems I'm having. They tell me to let them know if I'm having problems. WTF. I have just TOLD you the problems dumbass.

3) They didn't attach any file to the email. Dumbass.

There we go. That was my session.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $71.35
UTG+1: $30.75
CO: $43.50
Hero: $119.80
SB: $41
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A A T 7
UTG raises to $1.75, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero raises to $7.75, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 raises all-in $30.75, Hero raises to $108.5, UTG calls all-in $63.6.
Uncalled bets: $37.15 returned to Hero.

Flop: J 2 5 ($174.20, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $93, Sidepot 1: $81.20)


Turn: J ($174.20, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $93, Sidepot 1: $81.20)


River: Q ($174.20, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $93, Sidepot 1: $81.20)


Results:
Final pot: $113.45
UTG showed
UTG+1 showed
Hero showed



3-way, that's not too bad for the main pot. It's that the sidepot is $81.20.

Same villain that had KJ62 above:


Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $49.50
UTG+1: $52.80
Hero: $49.75
Button: $34.45
SB: $64
BB: $155.90

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A 9 6 K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 7 4 8 ($5.25, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $5.25, SB calls, BB raises to $26.25, Hero raises all-in $48, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: 3 ($106.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $106.5)


River: Q ($106.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $106.5)


Results:
Final pot: $106.5
BB showed Jd Ad 4h 3h
Hero showed Ah 9h 6d Kd



Bottom pair + flush draw FTW!!!

Just downloaded this...

Click to view attachment

That's your graph?

It looks like a lot like bdc30's. You're losing a lot of money in non-showdown pots.

What are your PT stats? My guess is that you're fairly passive in general.

Click to view attachment

Yeah, you're playing really loose and quite passive as a result.

You should be trying to tone that down to at most 30% VPIP for your PFR.

Bud is roughly 21/7, bdc30 is roughly 28/6 and I'm roughly 35/17 (at the moment).

(this is all at 6max btw).

Very good end to the week. After bitching about running bad I ran well for the rest of the week.

Total Winnings: $150

BB/100: 6.3

Net Run (All-ins): $-100 (would have been fantastic week if this value was a little better)

Also opened up slightly from an 18/8 to a 20/10.

Bitching about running bad must make you run good. That's why I've been running ok, since the first 41 pages of this thread were me whining about running bad...lol

Interesting that everyone becomes more aggro, and suddenly everyone runs good.

Coincidence?

Now if you can just get my pokerev graph to stop looking like that crappy blue/red/green pattern, we'll ALLLLLLL be happy...lol In fairness, I haven't played enough hands this month to get a good feel for how the graph will look. Monday and Tuesday I should be able to play ~2500 hands, I'm hoping.

I've still had no response from my ISP despite sending about 6 emails to them.

I can't play for any period of time without being disconnected (sometimes in the middle of big hands) so I'm just feeling pretty helpless at the moment.

I would love to have a 14 hour session 4-6 tabling, but I'm stuck with dodgy 30 minute sessions.

Today's Session

1.2k hands

Total Winnings: $-247

Equity Adjusted: $-73

Net Run (All-Ins): $-136

Playing bad, running bad, trying to get even when I should just quit, you name it this day sucked ass. Decimated my roll on PStars to the point where I'll have to drop back to .05/.1 (still have enough for .1/.25 on FT, but I don't like playing there as much). I think I'll take a break for a few days.

God I want to puke.

Do you have rakeback on tilt? Playing on stars is crazy, for the amount of hands you're putting in.

We've all been through downswings. What other games do you play? Try changing it up maybe. Have you pokerev'd yourself with filters, etc? Where are you losing your money?

Gah. In a $5r just before the break...

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1425
UTG+1: t16310
CO: t1500
Button: t3300
Hero: t1730
BB: t6535

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 8 Q Q T
UTG calls t100 (pot was t150), 2 folds, Button calls t100 (pot was t250), Hero raises to t500, BB folds, UTG calls t400 (pot was t800), Button calls t400 (pot was t1200).

Flop: J 9 6 (t1600, 3 players)
Hero is all-in t1230, UTG calls all-in t925, Button calls t1230 (pot was t3755).

Turn: 2 (t4985, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t4375, Sidepot 1: t610)


River: 3 (t4985, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t4375, Sidepot 1: t610)


Results:
Final pot: t4985


Omaha Hi Simulation
666 trials (Exhaustive)
board: jd9h6d
Hand Pot equity Wins

qdtdqc8s 71.02% 473

4c6h5d7s 4.50% 30 <---winner..........

4d9dkh6c 24.47% 163

Yeah. Just yea.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $131.30
UTG+1: $59.15
CO: $44.05
Hero: $53.25
SB: $56.80
BB: $37.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with J 3 A A
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.25, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: T 5 8 ($7, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: A ($7, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $7, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: T ($21, 2 players)
UTG bets $10.5, Hero raises to $30, UTG raises to $121.5, Hero calls all-in $14.
Uncalled bets: $77.5 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $109
UTG showed Qs Ts 9s Tc
Hero mucks Jc 3d Ad Ah

No rakeback on Full Tilt. I had already been playing sporadically on all the major sites for about a year before I even knew rakeback existed.

Over the next couple days I'm going to go through the session w/ filters and such, and maybe try to pick out some hands to post. I think mainly I really need to just take a break. Been playing a way higher volume of hands lately than I ever have before. So I think best course is to take a day or two off and when I come back really shorten my sessions and only play 1 or maybe 2 tables at a time.

That loss was basically all my profit since I started playing omaha and nothing more, so really I got to play lots of fun poker for free .

Here's to starting over.

BooooooooYA. On this one I just minimized the table after shovelling and waited for a minute. It would either pop up when the action was on me for the next hand if I had a massive stack, or I could go back to it in a few minutes and find out what I lost to. Thankfully, it popped up.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $77.25
CO: $91.45
Hero: $56.55
SB: $112.55
BB: $53.90

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A Q A K
UTG calls, CO raises to $2, Hero raises to $7.25, 2 folds, UTG raises to $25, CO calls, Hero raises all-in $56.55, UTG raises all-in $77.25, CO calls.

Flop: Q 7 T ($99.45, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $170.4)


Turn: 7 ($99.45, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $170.4)


River: J ($99.45, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $170.4)


Results:
Final pot: $170.40
Hero showed Ad Qh Ah Kd
UTG showed 3c Ac As 4h
CO showed 7d 9h 8h 6d

Hands since I got my shit together on the 7th of November. Running about 25/7/2 over that span.

and just for you JCH - it does turn around if you ride it out long enough, just don't stop learning. Post hands, take advice. I credit these guys for turning me in to a half decent player at this stupid game. Here's today.



and since the 7th

^^^ LOL - RUNNINGVERYGOODAMENTS

LOL. The 7th is almost exactly the day I believe I started running bad.

Here is my graph from the 7th.




Damn you bdc. You stole all my luck.

Seriously though, amazing graphs. Makes me feel good looking at them even if they aren't mine.

Interesting night for me. Ended up with 3/4 of my roll in play as shown below:







No, I didn't go back to my old ways and chase my losses at 3/6 or something. Believe it or not, that money represents one 0.5/1 table, and three 1/2 tables. Had to make some extra buys early on and then hit a huge upswing after about 3 hours.

P.S. Won another $300 before quitting after posting this image.

How many hours were you playing for?

6 and a half hours. I stopped table-selecting pretty quick too so I was on those same 4 tables for almost the whole period. Here's a graph of the whole session:

lol, -$1500 in 300 hands, then +$2800 in the next 700. That's a hell of a 1k stretch.

I can't do this. I just can't.

Play for 30 minutes to 1 hour and it's fine. Then it all goes to hell. I don't get it. Nothing changes after an hour, but all of a sudden there's disconnections and LAG and everything.

Brag time: Here's my graph since I decided to start fresh at 0.25/0.50 with $1000 on October 12th. I've used good BR management throughout and haven't taken any shots that I wasn't rolled for.

^^ Nice.

Turned a corner. Managed to play a full 8 hour session 4-6 tabling today with no disconnections. Looks like they sorted it all out. Awesome.
























































OH WAIT, NO. THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. THIS WAS MY FULL SESSION WHICH ENDED WHEN I GOT DISCONNECTED AFTER LIKE 5 MINUTES:

Played a short 275 hand session just to get my ironman points today. I got NO cards at all, it was horrid. Stats were 11% vpip, 3% pfr, 1.44 AF. I honestly wasn't playing tight or looking not to gamble, I just sat there and folded for an hour and a half. I made a whopping 95 cents for my effort...lol Actually, I'm happy with that. In the past when I go through those dry stretches it's easy to open your range too wide and start playing hands that get you in to trouble. I'll take any +bb/100 in a small session where I'm just not hitting cards. Here's a funny hand though. Think these guys are passive much??

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $22.25
Hero: $62.20
CO: $29.20
Button: $89.30
SB: $38.25
BB: $69.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T J T K
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: A 9 2 ($7.25, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.5, CO calls, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: Q ($20.75, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: 7 ($20.75, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: $20.75
Hero showed Td Js Tc Kd
CO mucks 3s 4h 2d 3c
Button mucks 4s 7c 5c 3d

It was brutal. I was sitting there waiting for a hand to play for a whole hour, 4-tabling. It sucked.

How often do you open limp? For me it's pretty rare, and I never open limp from the CO or button.

More often than you I don't doubt, but not nearly as often as I used to...lol

Open limp....huh?? I made it pretty simple. I emailed FT support and asked them to take the "call" button off of my screen.

Better day today, 275 hands, 24% VPIP, 6% pfr, 1.77 AF, made $80.55, 29.4 BB/100.



and from the 7th on again...

Your stats are better than they were (you were 32/4 IIRC), but I still think you need to be a LOT more aggressive.

Stop open limping pretty much entirely. Reraise good hands in position against LAGs.

Start isolating limpers. This is an important one IMO. When I last played (*sigh* about a week ago now) there was a player running at 56/1 directly to my right. Whenever he limped in, I raised. It didn't really matter what my cards were. I kept playing raised pots in position against a guy that was check/folding most flops. If he ever woke up I just let the hand go.

Example:

Stack sizes:
UTG: $63.50
CO: $32.90 <-- 56/1
Hero: $61.10
SB: $33.70 <-- 29/14
BB: $128.95 <-- 22/8

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 5 T 7 A
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: 9 7 9 ($5.25, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3, CO folds.