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bdc30


Weeeee---don't call it a comeback!!
simo_8ball
Dealt to Simo123 [Qd 2s Kd Kh]
rake5 calls $0.25
Winnars folds
jodi911 folds
Simo123 has 15 seconds left to act
Simo123 raises to $1
jay5102 folds
rake5 calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [9d 3d 8h]
Simo123 has 15 seconds left to act
Simo123 bets $2.25
rake5 has 15 seconds left to act
rake5 calls $2.25
*** TURN *** [9d 3d 8h] [7h]
Simo123 has 15 seconds left to act
Simo123 checks
rake5 has 15 seconds left to act
rake5 bets $6.50
Simo123 calls $6.50
*** RIVER *** [9d 3d 8h 7h] [8s]
Simo123 bets $19.75
rake5 calls $19.75
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Simo123 shows [Qd 2s Kd Kh] two pair, Kings and Eights
rake5 shows [Qc Ts Jd 9h] a straight, Jack high
rake5 wins the pot ($56.30) with a straight, Jack high
Simo123 adds $23.10
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $59.25 | Rake $2.95
Board: [9d 3d 8h 7h 8s]
Seat 1: Winnars didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: jodi911 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Simo123 (small blind) showed [Qd 2s Kd Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 5: jay5102 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: rake5 showed [Qc Ts Jd 9h] and won ($56.30) with a straight, Jack high



Dealt to Simo123 [9c 6h 7s 9h]
hollarin stands up
jodi911 folds
Simo123 has 15 seconds left to act
Simo123 raises to $0.85
plzbenicetome calls $0.75
BennyBlaze42 has 15 seconds left to act
BennyBlaze42 calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [9d Jd 2h]
plzbenicetome bets $2.55
BennyBlaze42 folds
Simo123 raises to $10.20
plzbenicetome raises to $32.25, and is all in
Simo123 calls $22.05
plzbenicetome shows [Qc 8s Td 4h]
Simo123 shows [9c 6h 7s 9h]
*** TURN *** [9d Jd 2h] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [9d Jd 2h Qh] [As]
plzbenicetome shows a straight, Queen high
Simo123 shows three of a kind, Nines
plzbenicetome wins the pot ($65.05) with a straight, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $67.05 | Rake $2
Board: [9d Jd 2h Qh As]
Seat 1: jodi911 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Shelf Monkey is sitting out
Seat 3: Simo123 (button) showed [9c 6h 7s 9h] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 4: hollarin is sitting out
Seat 5: plzbenicetome (small blind) showed [Qc 8s Td 4h] and won ($65.05) with a straight, Queen high
Seat 6: BennyBlaze42 (big blind) folded on the Flop



Dealt to Simo123 [2h 6c 4h 4s]
Simo123 raises to $0.75
BennyBlaze42 raises to $1.25
Simo123 calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [5s 8c 9s]
BennyBlaze42 checks
Simo123 bets $2.50
BennyBlaze42 raises to $5
Simo123 calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [5s 8c 9s] [6d]
BennyBlaze42 bets $6.25
MissBigStacks sits down
MissBigStacks adds $25
Simo123 raises to $27.55, and is all in
BennyBlaze42 calls $21.30
Simo123 shows [2h 6c 4h 4s]
BennyBlaze42 shows [Th 9d 8s Tc]
THowitt sits down
*** RIVER *** [5s 8c 9s 6d] [Qc]
Simo123 shows a pair of Sixes
BennyBlaze42 shows two pair, Nines and Eights
BennyBlaze42 wins the pot ($67.10) with two pair, Nines and Eights
THowitt adds $10
Simo123 adds $25
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $67.60 | Rake $0.50
Board: [5s 8c 9s 6d Qc]
Seat 1: jodi911 is sitting out
Seat 3: Simo123 (small blind) showed [2h 6c 4h 4s] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 5: plzbenicetome is sitting out
Seat 6: BennyBlaze42 (big blind) showed [Th 9d 8s Tc] and won ($67.10) with two pair, Nines and Eights



Dealt to Simo123 [9h Jh Ks 7s]
Simo123 raises to $0.85
23MANOLLO calls $0.85
catwin6 folds
pocketperogies folds
Riverdans folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd Qs 5s]
Simo123 bets $2.05
23MANOLLO raises to $8.20
Simo123 has 15 seconds left to act
Simo123 raises to $26.65
23MANOLLO calls $6.85, and is all in
Simo123 shows [9h Jh Ks 7s]
23MANOLLO shows [Qh 4h Qd 3d]
gubadakota sits down
Uncalled bet of $11.60 returned to Simo123
*** TURN *** [Jd Qs 5s] [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [Jd Qs 5s Ah] [6c]
Simo123 shows a pair of Jacks
23MANOLLO shows three of a kind, Queens
23MANOLLO wins the pot ($30.55) with three of a kind, Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $32.15 | Rake $1.60
Board: [Jd Qs 5s Ah 6c]
Seat 1: pocketperogies (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Riverdans (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Simo123 showed [9h Jh Ks 7s] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: 23MANOLLO showed [Qh 4h Qd 3d] and won ($30.55) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 6: catwin6 (button) didn't bet (folded)


These were the 4 biggest pots I played in that session with you bdc30.

The big drop in the graph is the hand where I got wondercalled followed immediatealy by the KKQ2 river shove.



Oh, and that PokerEV program is pretty cool. Validates your feelings. Thanks iggy.
bdc30
What's this poker ev program, someone explain, link plz
simo_8ball
http://pokerevsoftware.com/beta/PokerEV%20Installer.exe

Direct link to the software.

It's freeware, like pokergrapher.
bdc30
What's the difference between this and PG?


and can anyone explain wtf it means?
bdc30
Mother FKer fk fk Can i dodge ONE FKIN FLUSH EVER FKIN PLEASE

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5
UTG+1: $28.20
Hero: $27.05
Button: $30.05
SB: $16
BB: $64.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.85, Hero calls, Button raises to $3.75, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif ($11.6, 3 players)
UTG+1 bets $11.6, Hero raises all-in $23.3, Button folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 8 icon_suit_spade.gif ($58.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $58.2)


River: 7 icon_suit_club.gif ($58.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $58.2)


Results:
Final pot: $58.2
UTG+1 showed Qc Ks 4s 7d
Hero showed Jc 9d Jd 8h
bdc30
Of course the fking board pairs here...I mean, why wouldn't it...No flush though, since I'm the one fking basically freerolling for it...FAAAK

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4.65
UTG+1: $6.25
CO: $33.15
Button: $22.45
SB: $99.80
Hero: $39.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 9 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: 5 icon_suit_spade.gif 7 icon_suit_spade.gif T icon_suit_club.gif ($1.1, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: J icon_suit_heart.gif ($1.1, 4 players)
Hero bets $1.1, UTG raises all-in $4.4, CO folds, Button raises to $15.4, Hero raises all-in $39.3, Button calls all-in $6.8.
Uncalled bets: $17.1 returned to Hero.

River: 7 icon_suit_heart.gif ($32.1, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $14.3, Sidepot 1: $35.6)


Results:
Final pot: $32.1
UTG showed Ts Qh Jd Jc
Button showed Qd 8h 8d 9d
]Hero showed 9c 8s 2h Js

I icon_suit_heart.gif poker sometimes, especially when the hand with the least amount of ev wins...

Results

Omaha Hi: 36 enumerated boards containing 7s 5s Tc Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js 8s 9c 2h 8 22.22 13 36.11 15 41.67 0.431
Qd 9d 8d 8h 5 13.89 16 44.44 15 41.67 0.347
Ts Jc Jd Qh 8 22.22 28 77.78 0 0.00 0.222
iggymcfly
'Tis pretty, yes?



Most buy-ins I've had on a table since February.
simo_8ball
Yeah, but knowing you there's probably about $21.72 profit on there. tongue.gif tongue.gif

That's pretty sick. How long were you at that table for to get that high?

What's your BR at now then?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, August 10th, 2007, 7:01 AM) *
What's the difference between this and PG?

and can anyone explain wtf it means?


What is PokerEV?

It's a Sklansky bucks calculator and game analysis tool that runs off your PokerTracker database. It supports Holdem, Omaha and Omaha Hi/Lo ring games. There is no tournament support yet.

Is it free?

Yes. I'm working on a database backend and improved filters/analysis but until that's done (at least a month away) it'll be free. I originally wrote this for my own use and have other things to do beside programming, so if I don't get it to a stage where I'm happy selling it, it'll remain free.

What sites are supported?
Party, Stars, Full Tilt and iPoker

What's it used for?
Mainly to analyze your game and provide hard to get feedback and filters not found in PokerTracker. A lot of people use it as luck grapher though.

So this will tell me if I'm lucky, right
Yes and no. It will calculate what you should have won based on all in hands, and compare it with what you have won. This represents a fairly large component of luck for NL games (but not the only part). You can still get heatered or coolered in terms of getting good/bad cards and situations. Think of it as a tool to cut through some of the variance and get a better idea of your overall play during a session.

How do I know it's accurate?
Anyone can verify the accuracy of the calcs/graphs by doing their own calculations of the hand history and comparing it to PokerEV for each entry. Preflop enumeration is monte carlo for speed, which is an approximation that will be slightly higher or lower than the true value, but it doesn't affect cumulative results (such as the graphs) and barely affects each individual result. If a lot of money goes in preflop, you may have NetSB reported as $99.54 instead of $98.33, for example.

The old version calculated Sklansky Bucks based on all hands (not just all-ins), but for some players this caused problems with accuracy as the set of available showdown hands was skewed by either very tight or very aggressive play. The calculations are still done on all hands for the purpose of game analysis, but the "Luck Graphs" tabs contain only all-in adjustments, so you can know they're not skewed.

How do I use it?
The best way is to load it up after each session and go through all of your hands. If you felt you got outdrawn a lot, you can check this with the graphs to see if you actually did. The analysis tab is laid out with hand type and Net Sklansky bucks. I usually click on the NetSB column to order it and review the big mistakes in the hand replayer. You can also review by hand type and use the comprehensive filters to review particular situations.
No_Neck


does this mean I am a donkey or a baller icon_dance.gif
simo_8ball
Means you're generally running bad.

If you post your 'luck' graph that will give a better indication.
No_Neck



large downswing was coolers, (flush over flush and set over set sort of thing) and then probably two buyins of tilt, after that though I just couldn't win for a while.
simo_8ball
Yeah, you're running bad. The red line is where you 'should' be if you were running exactly to equity on the allins.
BudBundy
So i tilted again today. It really pisses me off when someone calls my c-bet with complete air , no pair no draws , picks up a draw on turn , calls , and hits on river. Anyway that's what caused this hand.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $144.70
CO: $90.70
Hero: $192.50
SB: $57.40
BB: $118.70

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 4 icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif 5 icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls, CO raises to $4.5, Hero calls, SB calls, BB raises to $23.5, UTG folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

Flop: J icon_suit_diamond.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif ($76, 3 players)
BB bets $76, CO calls all-in $67.2, Hero calls.

Turn: T icon_suit_club.gif ($295.2, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $277.6, Sidepot 1: $17.6)
BB is all-in $19.2, Hero calls.

River: Q icon_suit_spade.gif ($333.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $277.6, Sidepot 1: $56)


Results:
Final pot: $333.6
CO showed As Ad 4c 5s
Hero showed 4s Ah 5h Ts
BB showed Jh 9c Qc Td


**********

And this is the 3.5k hands of my 100$plo journey graph. I don't really know what it means but here it is anyway ;



And the luck graph :



I am gonna play 50$ PLO until i get my shit together again.
iggymcfly
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Friday, August 10th, 2007, 1:13 AM) *
Yeah, but knowing you there's probably about $21.72 profit on there. tongue.gif tongue.gif

That's pretty sick. How long were you at that table for to get that high?

What's your BR at now then?


LOL. Actually, I was only in for $200 though. The rest was all profit. I did have one really nice fishy though. This one guy pots the flop with naked KK, I repot with top set, he reraises again, I get all-in, and he misses his two-outer in a $1,000 pot. He honestly didn't have a gutshot or a backdoor flush draw or anything. Just KK. He also called a $194 river bet with aces up when I had quad queens. He left the table after about 3 hours and I left shortly thereafter.

Oh, and BR's at $7,200 now. Movin' on up.
meservery
gutshotaments?

Full Tilt Poker Game #3212005895: Table Celia (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:32:05 ET - 2007/08/10
Seat 1: R1khard ($29.50)
Seat 2: rak65 ($5)
Seat 3: Kei-fat ($42.40)
Seat 4: Olivia05 ($15.10)
Seat 5: meservery ($40.25)
Seat 6: Zettis ($7.50)
Zettis posts the small blind of $0.10
R1khard posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to meservery [5d 4h Td 8d]
Kei-fat folds
Olivia05 folds
meservery raises to $0.85
Zettis folds
R1khard raises to $2.65
meservery calls $1.80
*** FLOP *** [3h 7c Kc]
R1khard bets $3.25
meservery calls $3.25
*** TURN *** [3h 7c Kc] [6s]
R1khard has 15 seconds left to act
R1khard bets $8.25
meservery raises to $34.35, and is all in
R1khard calls $15.35, and is all in

meservery shows [5d 4h Td 8d]
R1khard shows [Jd Ad Ac 8s]
Uncalled bet of $10.75 returned to meservery
*** RIVER *** [3h 7c Kc 6s] [Qs]
meservery shows a straight, Seven high
R1khard shows a pair of Aces
meservery wins the pot ($56.15) with a straight, Seven high
R1khard is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $59.10 | Rake $2.95
Board: [3h 7c Kc 6s Qs]
Seat 1: R1khard (big blind) showed [Jd Ad Ac 8s] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: rak65 is sitting out
Seat 3: Kei-fat didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Olivia05 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: meservery (button) showed [5d 4h Td 8d] and won ($56.15) with a straight, Seven high
Seat 6: Zettis (small blind) folded before the Flop



Full Tilt Poker Game #3212014396: Table Celia (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:33:06 ET - 2007/08/10
Seat 1: R1khard ($0), is sitting out
Seat 2: rak65 ($5)
Seat 3: Kei-fat ($42.40)
Seat 4: Olivia05 ($15.10)
Seat 5: meservery ($66.90)
Seat 6: Zettis ($7.40)
rak65 has 5 seconds left to act
rak65 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to meservery [As 5c 4s 6c]
Kei-fat raises to $0.75
Olivia05 folds
meservery calls $0.75
Zettis folds
rak65 folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 8c Qs]
Kei-fat bets $1.75
meservery folds
Uncalled bet of $1.75 returned to Kei-fat
Kei-fat mucks
Kei-fat wins the pot ($1.70)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.75 | Rake $0.05
Board: [Qc 8c Qs]
Seat 1: R1khard (small blind) is sitting out
Seat 2: rak65 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Kei-fat collected ($1.70), mucked
Seat 4: Olivia05 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: meservery folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Zettis (button) didn't bet (folded)



Full Tilt Poker Game #3212018066: Table Celia (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:33:32 ET - 2007/08/10
Seat 1: R1khard ($0), is sitting out
Seat 2: rak65 ($4.75)
Seat 3: Kei-fat ($43.35)
Seat 4: Olivia05 ($15.10)
Seat 5: meservery ($66.15)
Seat 6: Zettis ($7.40)
rak65 posts the small blind of $0.10
Kei-fat posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to meservery [Ks 7h 3d 6s]
R1khard: you raise and call a reraise with that siht you &&@$ing fagot?
Olivia05 has 15 seconds left to act
Olivia05 calls $0.25
meservery folds
Zettis calls $0.25
R1khard: you fck your mom, and dad
meservery: yikes

rak65 folds
Kei-fat checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd Th Ah]
Kei-fat checks
Olivia05 checks
Zettis bets $0.85
Kei-fat folds
Olivia05 calls $0.85
*** TURN *** [Qd Th Ah] [Ts]
Olivia05 has 15 seconds left to act
Olivia05 checks
Zettis bets $2.55
R1khard: you fcking donkey, hope you get cancer
Olivia05 folds
Uncalled bet of $2.55 returned to Zettis
Zettis mucks
Zettis wins the pot ($2.45)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.55 | Rake $0.10
Board: [Qd Th Ah Ts]
Seat 1: R1khard (button) is sitting out
Seat 2: rak65 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Kei-fat (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Olivia05 folded on the Turn
Seat 5: meservery didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Zettis collected ($2.45), mucked



Full Tilt Poker Game #3212025947: Table Celia (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:34:29 ET - 2007/08/10
Seat 1: R1khard ($0), is sitting out
Seat 2: rak65 ($4.65)
Seat 3: Kei-fat ($43.10)
Seat 4: Olivia05 ($14)
Seat 5: meservery ($66.15)
Seat 6: Zettis ($8.75)
Kei-fat posts the small blind of $0.10
Olivia05 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to meservery [8h 8c 4d 2d]
R1khard stands up
meservery folds
Zettis folds
Olivia05: lol
SuicideKing21 adds $25
rak65 folds
Kei-fat raises to $0.75
Olivia05 calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [6d 7s 9d]
Kei-fat bets $0.75
meservery: wish he had rebought...
Olivia05 folds
Uncalled bet of $0.75 returned to Kei-fat
Kei-fat mucks
Kei-fat wins the pot ($1.45)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.50 | Rake $0.05
Board: [6d 7s 9d]
Seat 1: R1khard is sitting out
Seat 2: rak65 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Kei-fat (small blind) collected ($1.45), mucked
Seat 4: Olivia05 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: meservery didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Zettis didn't bet (folded)



Full Tilt Poker Game #3212030708: Table Celia (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:35:03 ET - 2007/08/10
Seat 1: SuicideKing21 ($25)
Seat 2: rak65 ($4.65)
Seat 3: Kei-fat ($43.80)
Seat 4: Olivia05 ($13.25)
Seat 5: meservery ($66.15)
Seat 6: Zettis ($8.75)
Olivia05 posts the small blind of $0.10
meservery posts the big blind of $0.25
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to meservery [Ac Jh 9c 6d]
Zettis calls $0.25
R1khard (Observer): go fck a pig
rak65 folds
Kei-fat calls $0.25
Olivia05 calls $0.15
meservery checks
*** FLOP *** [4s Qs 9h]
Olivia05 bets $0.25
meservery folds
Zettis raises to $1.75
Kei-fat folds
Olivia05 calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [4s Qs 9h] [7h]
R1khard (Observer): how fcking bad do you have to be to lose your money?
Olivia05 checks
Zettis checks
*** RIVER *** [4s Qs 9h 7h] [Th]
Olivia05 checks
Zettis checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Zettis shows [Kd Qd Jc Ts] a straight, King high
Olivia05 shows [4c Jd Td Ks] a straight, King high
Olivia05 ties for the pot ($2.15) with a straight, King high
Zettis ties for the pot ($2.15) with a straight, King high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.50 | Rake $0.20
Board: [4s Qs 9h 7h Th]
Seat 1: SuicideKing21 is sitting out
Seat 2: rak65 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Kei-fat (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Olivia05 (small blind) showed [4c Jd Td Ks] and won ($2.15) with a straight, King high
Seat 5: meservery (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Zettis showed [Kd Qd Jc Ts] and won ($2.15) with a straight, King high



Full Tilt Poker Game #3212038409: Table Celia (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:35:58 ET - 2007/08/10
Seat 1: SuicideKing21 ($25)
Seat 2: rak65 ($4.65)
Seat 3: Kei-fat ($43.55)
Seat 4: Olivia05 ($13.40)
Seat 5: meservery ($65.90)
Seat 6: Zettis ($8.90)
meservery posts the small blind of $0.10
Zettis posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to meservery [Jh 4s 9c Ad]
rak65 folds
Kei-fat raises to $0.85
Olivia05 folds
meservery folds
Zettis folds
Uncalled bet of $0.60 returned to Kei-fat
Kei-fat mucks
Kei-fat wins the pot ($0.60)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.60 | Rake $0
Seat 1: SuicideKing21 is sitting out
Seat 2: rak65 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Kei-fat collected ($0.60), mucked
Seat 4: Olivia05 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: meservery (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Zettis (big blind) folded before the Flop



Full Tilt Poker Game #3212040642: Table Celia (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:36:13 ET - 2007/08/10
R1khard (Observer): that !#&! just makes me so fcking mad
Seat 1: SuicideKing21 ($25)
Seat 2: rak65 ($4.65)
Seat 3: Kei-fat ($43.90)
Seat 4: Olivia05 ($13.40)
Seat 5: meservery ($65.80)
Seat 6: Zettis ($8.65)
Zettis posts the small blind of $0.10
SuicideKing21 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to meservery [Ad 2c 5d 5c]
rak65 has 15 seconds left to act
rak65 folds
Kei-fat raises to $0.85
R1khard (Observer): could fcking shoot you right now
Olivia05 calls $0.85
meservery calls $0.85
Zettis folds
SuicideKing21 folds
*** FLOP *** [6s Ah 3c]
Kei-fat has 15 seconds left to act
Kei-fat bets $1.45
Olivia05 calls $1.45
meservery folds
*** TURN *** [6s Ah 3c] [4d]
R1khard (Observer): so & ! % $ Y O U
Merby
*Don't look at the villain's cards yet*

First: pretend you're the villian, facing the $100 bet on the flop, and tell me what your call range is?
Second: Look at the hand and the results:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($1785.05)
Button ($560.25)
Hero ($443.90)
BB ($859.50)
UTG ($185.95)
MP ($224.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, J, 3, K.
2 folds, CO raises to $12, Button calls $12, Hero raises to $52, 1 fold, CO folds, Button calls $40.

Flop: ($120) Q, T, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $100, Button calls $100.

Turn: ($320) K (2 players)
Hero bets $291.9 (All-In), Button calls $291.90.

River: ($0) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $903.80

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah Jc 3s Ks (straight, ace high).
Button has Jd 4d Qs As (straight, Ten to Ace)
Outcome: Button wins $451.90. Hero wins $451.90.



Whee! Top pair and gutshot straight draw for the win!
bdc30
Getting tired of getting it all in with top set only to watch some dooshbag call with obv flush draw and hit time after fkin time....

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $3.25
UTG+1: $29.10
CO: $22.80
Hero: $35.20
SB: $28.10
BB: $87.90

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 8 icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_spade.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB raises to $1.25, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif 3 icon_suit_heart.gif ($4, 3 players)
SB bets $3.5, UTG folds, Hero raises to $14.5, SB raises all-in $26.85, Hero calls.

Turn: 6 icon_suit_heart.gif ($57.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $57.7)


River: T icon_suit_club.gif ($57.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $57.7)


Results:
Final pot: $57.7
Hero showed 8c 7c 8s Td
SB showed Qh Jc Ah Jh
bdc30


bdc30
Also...can anyone explain the bottom graph to me? The lines seem parallel when I first start, then split half way through. What does this indicate?
Merby
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Saturday, August 11th, 2007, 12:14 AM) *
Also...can anyone explain the bottom graph to me? The lines seem parallel when I first start, then split half way through. What does this indicate?


The bottom graph shows two lines.

1) The blue line shows how much you've won in Sklansky bucks. This is the amount you would have won if luck wasn't a factor, and you only won your pot equity in each pot you played. So for example, if you had a 40% chance of winning a pot of $100 when the money went in, then you win 40 Sklansky bucks from that pot.

2) The green line shows your actual winnings.

The bottom line for interpretation:

Any time the green line is above the blue line, you're on a lucky streak (you've won more than your share of pots). The larger the separation, the "hotter" you have been running.

Any time the green line is *below* the blue line (as in your graph), you're on an unlucky streak (you're winning fewer pots than you should have won). Again, the larger the separation, the "colder" you've been running.

By the way, where did you download that program? I want need it.
bdc30
QUOTE (Merby @ Saturday, August 11th, 2007, 12:06 AM) *
Any time the green line is *below* the blue line (as in your graph), you're on an unlucky streak (you're winning fewer pots than you should have won). Again, the larger the separation, the "colder" you've been running.

By the way, where did you download that program? I want need it.


1) Fk. Like I needed a graph to tell me THAT... sad.gif

2) Simo posted a link in this thread a page or two back.
No_Neck
my problem with the graph is my color blindedness, makes it really hard to read.
BudBundy
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Saturday, August 11th, 2007, 3:47 PM) *
my problem with the graph is my color blindedness, makes it really hard to read.


Time for Purple Rain bumpage?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Saturday, August 11th, 2007, 3:57 PM) *
Time for Purple Rain bumpage?

Swing and a miss.

Colour blind =/= Deaf
bdc30
From one colorblind kid to another - I feel your pain...lol
BudBundy
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, August 11th, 2007, 6:07 PM) *
Swing and a miss.

Colour blind =/= Deaf


O RLY?

bdc30
Been a while since I got one outed...that's what it feels like. Glad he wasn't deeper... Guess he had more than ONE out, but not fkin many.


Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $25
UTG+1: $4.75
CO: $24.75
Button: $28.15
SB: $48.20
BB: $39

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K icon_suit_diamond.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif 3 icon_suit_spade.gif ($0.85, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.85, UTG+1 raises to $3.4, BB folds, Hero raises to $6.8, UTG+1 calls all-in $1.1.
Uncalled bets: $2.3 returned to Hero.

Turn: 5 icon_suit_spade.gif ($9.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $9.85)


River: 8 icon_suit_club.gif ($9.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $9.85)


Results:
Final pot: $9.85
UTG+1 showed 9h 8h 8s 6d
Hero showed Kd Qs 4d Qc
bdc30
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $14.55
CO: $26.30
Hero: $29.65
SB: $51.40
BB: $9.25

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 3 icon_suit_heart.gif 4 icon_suit_heart.gif K icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG folds, CO raises to $0.85, Hero folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 7 icon_suit_spade.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif 6 icon_suit_heart.gif ($1.95, 2 players)
SB checks, CO bets $1.25, SB calls.

Turn: K icon_suit_spade.gif ($4.45, 2 players)
SB bets $2.2, CO calls.

River: 9 icon_suit_heart.gif ($8.85, 2 players)
SB bets $8.85, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $26.55
SB showed Jc Ac 8h 5h
CO mucks 7d 6c 4c 5c <---Familiar poster to the omaha forum.... Sigh..
simo_8ball
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Saturday, August 11th, 2007, 10:20 PM) *
CO mucks 7d 6c 4c 5c <---Familiar poster to the omaha forum.... Sigh..


Hmm. You've got me thinking. It's not you. I don't think it was me. I wouldn't have thought it would be Bud. Iggy is on stars. Merby is on stars. Meservery plays on UB, although I guess it's a possibility. donk4life plays on AP.

Is it No Neck?
bdc30
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, August 11th, 2007, 3:22 PM) *
it would be Bud


Only guy I know who can flop a tight full and lose to the rivered straightflushament. It was pretty gross to watch sad.gif
In true budbundy fashion always looking on the bright side, all he could muster was an "At least that wasn't at $100..."
Merby
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Saturday, August 11th, 2007, 6:11 PM) *
Only guy I know who can flop a tight full and lose to the rivered straightflushament. It was pretty gross to watch sad.gif
In true budbundy fashion always looking on the bright side, all he could muster was an "At least that wasn't at $100..."


Bud has a good head on his shoulders. I'm glad that also transfers to how he handles bad beats.
bdc30
I wish I could have bud's mentality when I get sucked out on...
Like this - made me want to punch computer when I saw this river.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $13.20
Hero: $27
CO: $26.95
Button: $23.45
SB: $21.65
BB: $42.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 4 icon_suit_heart.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_club.gif
UTG raises to $0.5, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: A icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($2.75, 5 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.5, Hero raises to $4.25, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Turn: 9 icon_suit_club.gif ($11.25, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $11.25, UTG calls all-in $8.45.
Uncalled bets: $2.8 returned to Hero.

River: 6 icon_suit_heart.gif ($28.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $28.15)


Results:
Final pot: $28.15
UTG showed 7d 7s 4c 6c
Hero showed 4h 2c Qh Ac
Merby
I must have been playing my hand face-up by accident:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($341.40)
CO ($140)
Hero ($989.85)
SB ($334.30)
BB ($63.60)
UTG ($392)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 9, 6, 7.
2 folds, CO raises to $12, Hero raises to $44, 2 folds, CO calls $32.

Flop: ($94) J, A, 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $93, CO raises to $94, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($282) 3 (2 players)

River: ($282) 4 (2 players)

Final Pot: $282

Results below:
CO shows [9c Qd Td 5c] (a pair of Nines)
Hero mucked [8h 9s 6c 7h]
Outcome: CO wins $282.
Merby
*Sigh*
Two hands later against the same calling station villain. J-high flush draw and an overpair no good, sir.


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($286.20)
SB ($332)
Hero ($938.45)
UTG ($300)
MP ($392)
CO ($401.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , , , .
UTG calls $4, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($12) , , (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11.4, UTG folds, SB calls $11.40.

Turn: ($34.80) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $33.1, SB calls $33.10.

River: ($101) (2 players)
SB bets $98, Hero raises to $392, SB calls $185.50 (All-In).

Final Pot: $668

Results below:
SB has 7s Jh Td Js (straight, queen high).
Hero has 3c Th 3d Jc (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins $442.50. SB wins $334.
bdc30
Fuk me - yet again.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $22.65
UTG+1: $36.85
CO: $8.65
Hero: $23.50
SB: $8.30
BB: $41.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 6 icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB raises to $1.5, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: T icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($6.25, 4 players)
SB bets $6.25, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises all-in $22, SB calls all-in $0.55, UTG calls all-in $14.9.
Uncalled bets: $0.85 returned to Hero.

Turn: 7 icon_suit_club.gif ($41, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $26.65, Sidepot 1: $28.7)


River: 9 icon_suit_heart.gif ($41, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $26.65, Sidepot 1: $28.7)


Results:
Final pot: $41
SB showed 5d Ah As 2s
UTG showed Jc 5c Ad 8h
Hero showed 6c Th Tc 8s
bdc30


Bah.. About even for the day. plus some bonus/rb money I guess...shrug...Soon my hands will start standing up. I can't remember the last time I've called with a flush draw that's hit, and also can't remember the last time I've been betting a guy who HAD a flush draw that didn't hit... sad.gif




On a side note, what kind of stats are optimal for 6max plo? Vpip/Pfr/AF obviously. I haven't really had a chance to sit down and fine tooth comb my pokertracker stuff as yet. Any little tricks you guys use, etc to really get some good analysis of the numbers?
simo_8ball
Stats for omaha are extremely variable. Bud is profitable at about 20/6. I swing from 45/20 down to about 23/13 in different sessions depending on opponents and how many tables I'm playing. I tend to look for tables with less players though, so my stats will fluctuate more anyway.

VPIP and PFR aren't nearly as useful in PLO as in NLHE.

I think iggy knows more about PTO stats than most, so he can probably tell you a few things about the other stats.
BudBundy
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Sunday, August 12th, 2007, 12:57 PM) *
Bud is profitable at about 20/6.


29/9 at 100plo , please. tongue.gif
BudBundy
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Sunday, August 12th, 2007, 4:11 AM) *
Only guy I know who can flop a tight full and lose to the rivered straightflushament. It was pretty gross to watch sad.gif
In true budbundy fashion always looking on the bright side, all he could muster was an "At least that wasn't at $100..."



QUOTE (Merby @ Sunday, August 12th, 2007, 5:38 AM) *
Bud has a good head on his shoulders. I'm glad that also transfers to how he handles bad beats.


lol thanks but i am not this optimistic when it happens at 100$ over and over again , somethings at my desk get thrown at the wall.
simo_8ball
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $95.50
UTG+1: $39.80
CO: $135.05
Button: $13
SB: $108.40
BB: $88.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A icon_suit_spade.gif 2 icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif
Hero raises to $3.5, UTG+1 calls, CO raises to $6, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero raises to $31.5, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, BB calls.

Flop: J icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_heart.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif ($98.5, 3 players)
BB is all-in $60.7, Hero raises all-in $67.5.
Uncalled bets: $6.8 returned to Hero.

Turn: 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($219.9, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $219.9)


River: K icon_suit_heart.gif ($219.9, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $219.9)


Results:
Final pot: $219.9
Hero showed As 2h Qc Ah
BB showed Ac 9c Jd 8c



/shrug. I was lucky to be a 2/1 favourite on the flop I guess. Yay for moving up limits.
BudBundy
That's poker.

He was priced in.

He had the odds.

He had a feeling.

That's his lucky hand.

He knew you had aces. You made it too obvious.

Aces are worthless in Omaha.

You Overplayed it.

Stop Crying.

It is a drawing game.

He felt like gambling.

Are you a pro?

Heads up?

He saw Ivey do the same move the other day. Noone called him a donk! You know better than Phil Ivey??
donk4life
Worst day of Omaha by farrrr... Lost 2 buy-ins... got sucked out on alot and made 1 bad call...

I hate omaha now..
kkot
QUOTE (donk4life @ Sunday, August 12th, 2007, 2:01 PM) *
Worst day of Omaha by farrrr... Lost 2 buy-ins

You should have some of my days.

:sadface:
BudBundy
QUOTE (donk4life @ Sunday, August 12th, 2007, 10:01 PM) *
Worst day of Omaha by farrrr... Lost 2 buy-ins... got sucked out on alot and made 1 bad call...

I hate omaha now..


Dude it is just 2 buyins.

I sometimes have 6-7 buy-in swings in the same session.

Omaha is a lot more swingy than you can imagine. You should get used to it.
Merby
QUOTE (donk4life @ Sunday, August 12th, 2007, 12:01 PM) *
Worst day of Omaha by farrrr... Lost 2 buy-ins... got sucked out on alot and made 1 bad call...

I hate omaha now..


No fun. Be happy it was only a -2 buyin day. My worst was a -6.5 buyin day... at 2/4 PLO.

Hopefully you will rebound like I did: two good days later, and my -6.5 buyin downswing was fully erased.
simo_8ball
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $98
UTG+1: $108.30
CO: $97.15
Button: $135.95
Hero: $190.05
BB: $48.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A icon_suit_diamond.gif 9 icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1 (pot was $1.5), CO raises to $4.5, Button folds, Hero calls $4 (pot was $7), BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3.5 (pot was $11).

Flop: Q icon_suit_spade.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 2 icon_suit_heart.gif ($14.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets $14.5, Hero raises to $58, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $43.5 (pot was $87).

Turn: Q icon_suit_diamond.gif ($130.5, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $127.55, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: $127.55 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $130.5


Didn't expect a turn fold, but w/e.
simo_8ball
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $115.30
CO: $91.10
Hero: $251.55
SB: $51.60
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A icon_suit_heart.gif K icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_club.gif
UTG calls $1 (pot was $1.5), CO raises to $4.5, Hero raises to $16, 3 folds, CO raises to $55, Hero raises to $101, CO calls all-in $91.1, Hero calls $6.1 (pot was $174.1).

Flop: 6 icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif A icon_suit_diamond.gif ($294.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $294.7)


Turn: 2 icon_suit_club.gif ($294.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $294.7)


River: 3 icon_suit_spade.gif ($294.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $294.7)


Results:
Final pot: $294.7
CO showed Ks As Kh Jc
Hero showed Ah Kc Tc Ac



CODE
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards             win   %win    lose  %lose   tie  %tie     EV
As Ks  Jc  Kh  111444  22.29  378860  75.77  9696  1.94  0.233
Ac Kc  Tc  Ah  378860  75.77  111444  22.29  9696  1.94  0.767


Nice to get it in preflop as over a 3:1 favourite.
donk4life
I know I know -2 buy in's aint much..

But i'm on a limited BR... only got 120 bucks for omaha...
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