I'm at work right now, so I can't play any poker

My year has been kind to me at PLO so far... I hope variance forgets to give me my inevitable SUPER DOWNSWNG.

This place is pretty dead.

bdc is on holiday in Florida. I heard he prefers bingo to poker nowadays.

Simo has quitted PLO. He is playing tournies and NLHE cash games. I heard he prefers anything to PLO nowadays.

Iggy is busto again. I think we have a couple of months before he somehow starts playing again , builds a decent roll , swears to stick to BR management and eventually goes busto again. And a couple of months after that he somehow starts playing again , builds a decent roll...

I am still playing PLO. Will try to be at 100PLO by the end of the month.

How ya doin'

I'm doing good. I'm very busy in my non-poker life right now, so I won't be around too much for the next 3 weeks (or so). After that time my workload will be reduced from 'insanely busy' to 'still quite busy'. I will post an update on where I've been etc. later (after my life slows down). I am thinking of starting a blog, but that *definitely* won't happen until later this month or possibly in March.

The 5 minute bottom line is that after a *severe* downswing last summer (I went from posting a +$5,000 net profit to a +$100 net profit in the span of two days), I decided to withdraw my remaining money from pokerstars and take a break from online poker (although I still played live poker).

This year, I decided to rebuild a bankroll on pokerstars following some strict rules.

Rules:
1) I will not redeposit (at all).
2) I will follow strict bankroll guidlines: I will maintain a minimum of 40 buyins for my current level at all times.
-----i) I will step up whenever I have 50 buyins for the next level
-----ii) I will step down whenever I have <40 buyins for the current level *or* had an unbroken 10 buyin downswing
3) In order to step up to the next level, I must have (aside from the minimum buy-in requirements listed in rule #2)
-----i) A minimum of 10,000 hands at my current level (I expect to need a *vast* amount of hands more than this to meet my strict bankroll requirements)
-----ii) A PokerEV graph with a positive slope for my SB and total winnings lines (obviously, I have to be sure I am beating my current level and it is not attributed to luck)
-----iii) I have a positive ROI on my PT stats for my current level (this one is obvious and goes hand in hand with the PokerEV rule)

I know that my bankroll guidelines are strict, but the downswing that caused me to swear off online poker for half a year was a 10 buy-in downswing that I should have been able to fade if I had been playing within my roll (instead of playing at 2/4 and 3/6 PLO). My above rules give me the following bankroll ranges per level:

Level / Bankroll range:
1c/2c ....... $0 -- $250
2c/5c ....... $200 -- $500
5c/10c ..... $400 -- $1,250
10c/25c ... $1,000 -- $2,500
25c/50c ... $2,000 -- $5,000
50c/$1 ..... $4,000 -- $10,000
$1/$2 ....... $8,000 -- $20,000
$2/$4 ....... $16,000 -- $30,000
$3/$6 ....... $24,000 -- $40,000

The overlap between each level is due to the fact that I won't step up a level until I have 50 buyins for the next level, and won't step back down until I'm back down to <40 buy-ins, giving me a 10 BI shot at each level.

Following these rules, I should have been playing 50c/$1 PLO when my downswing hit last summer (instead or $2/$4) and it would have only been a -$1,000 to -$1,200 loss (after which time I would have stepped back down to 25c/50c and would have still had ~80 buy-ins for that level!) instead of the -$5,000 loss I ended up experiencing.


So what's my progress so far?

I started this year with $0.00 in my account, but had thousands of FPPs (even after using some to buy a *sweet* IPod Touch 16GB). I used these to play the 70 FPP Sunday Hundred Grand sit and gos, where I booked ~6 wins before I finally grew bored of them. I then played $3 sit and gos (PLO H/L, PLO, and even some HORSE and NLHE) where I had a roughly 1:1 ROI (I'm no sit and go guy, so this was more than enough for my needs). That gave me around $50 (I forgot to withdraw from one of the Sunday Hundred Grands, which wasted 11 $T) to start my climb out of the *BUSTED* abyss.

I switched over to 1c/2c PLO, where I have so far played ~5,000 hands and posted ~30 ptBB/100 hand ROI (these games are *soft* ). I am currently sitting with ~$130 on stars.


Wow... this "short" post took longer than I thought. Oh well, now you guys know my online absence, and my current poker plan.

Cheers,
Merby

Good luck Merby.

50 buyins to move up seems a bit too many tho , doesn't it?

I mean if you are willing to move down , move up when you have 40 buyins , take a 10 buyin shot and even if you lose that 10 buyin you will still have 60 buyins for the lower level.

Thanks, Bud.

I agree that this will keep me "comfortably over-rolled", but that will just translate into moving up in limits at a slower pace, which is fine.

So far, the benefits have vastly out-weighed the slower pace. I have noticed tilt to be nonexistent -- I need only look at my SB graph to remind myself that it will all work out in the long run and that with this many buy-ins, the probability of busting out is negligable (assuming positive SB graph). I will post my PokerEV graph for the year later today (I am at work right now... procrastinating).

Cheers,
Merby

Here's my year so far. So far, it has been smooth sailing
(although I'm looking forward to being on the positive side of variance some time this year...)

bdc's back from bingo in the sunshine...lol
Had to drop to $25 for several reasons, but I'm feeling good, and playing good and I'm gonna keep it going and hopefully be back to $50 by the end of the month.

Here's the day

Talk about a dream flop!


Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $12.35
CO: $25.60
Button: $3.30
SB: $13.35
Hero: $10.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with
UTG raises to $0.2, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls $0.1 (pot was $0.5).

Flop: ($0.6, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.6, UTG folds, SB calls.

Turn: ($1.8, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.8, SB calls.

River: ($5.4, 2 players)
SB bets $3.7, Hero calls $3.7 (pot was $9.1).

Results:
Final pot: $12.8
SB showed Kd 5c 6s 7s
Hero mucks 8s 6c 9s 9c
Nightmare river

You're laughing all the way to the bank if the turn or river brought a 5 or 7...

...at least you made a lot of Sklansky Bucks in the hand.

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $107.30
UTG+1: $73
Hero: $70.85
Button: $42.40
SB: $47.75
BB: $36

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A Q T K
UTG raises to $1.1, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $4.05, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: T T 5 ($8.85, 2 players)
UTG bets $8.85, Hero raises to $35.4, UTG raises all-in $103.25, Hero calls all-in $31.4.
Uncalled bets: $36.45 returned to UTG.

Turn: 8 ($142.45, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $142.45)


River: 9 ($142.45, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $142.45)


Results:
Final pot: $142.45
UTG showed Ad As 2d 4c
Hero showed Ah Qd Td Kh


Games are good i guess..

The tables were good tonight. Here's a hand that played itself. Just in case you're concerned that I may lose the villain by the non-stop potting, my notes on him were to the point:

DO NOT BLUFF

In other words, he calls down extremely light and plays his hands passively.


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($2.65)
Hero ($5.07)
UTG ($2.98)
MP ($3.42)
CO ($7.37)
Button ($4.28)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , , , .
1 fold, MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.07) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $0.07, MP folds, CO calls $0.07.

Turn: ($0.21) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.21, CO calls $0.21.

River: ($0.63) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.63, CO raises to $1.26, Hero raises to $4.41, CO raises to $7.07, Hero calls $0.36 (All-In).

Final Pot: $10.17

Results in white below:
Villain shows [Js Ad 2d 2s] (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows [Qd 9h 6s Kd] (a straight flush, Nine to King)
Outcome: Hero wins $10.17.

Simo will like these stats from my session today...lol

Sample is too small to really allow them to converge properly, but those stats just say so much about how far you've come.

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $95.75
UTG+1: $63.65
Hero: $149.10
Button: $14.25
SB: $48.65
BB: $109.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T 6 7 9
UTG raises to $1.75, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6 9 8 ($7.25, 4 players)
BB bets $7.25, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 3 ($21.75, 2 players)
BB bets $21.75, Hero raises to $87, BB calls.

River: 2 ($195.75, 2 players)
BB is all-in $13.85, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $223.45
BB showed As 5h 7s 8d
Hero showed Td 6h 7c 9d

I love.

I am such a pu$$y sometimes

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $12.75
CO: $49.35
Button: $94.85
SB: $61.40
Hero: $259.70

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 6 J J 4
2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 7 J 6 ($1.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: 7 ($4.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.5, Button calls, SB calls.

River: A ($12, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, Button raises to $15, SB folds, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $42
Button showed 9s 9d Ad 2c
Hero showed 6h Js Jh 4c

I set this situation up from the beginning of the hand , everything goes as i planned and wanted and i just call at the end being %100 convinced that he has quads.


He wasn't putting all his stack in if i repotted there but i definitely lost at least 15$ on that river.

I think your turn bet should be bigger, so your river bet can be bigger.

As played, I think your river bet should definitely be bigger.

I don't hate your flat call on the river, although I do think there is value in shoving.

Tried to represent a scared flush on turn and river. I was trying to get raised so i could call turn/Cr river or call turn/bet river or push or play with them however i want. Then i got raised and just called "knowing" i am beat.

Well, I have been sticking to my plan and am moving up to 2c/5c PLO. Here's the post outlining my plan.

It took just over 13,000 hands to increase my online bankroll from ~$60 to $250.
I pulled in a 33 BB/100 hand average win rate during this level.

Next step: 5 and 6-table 2c/5c to grow my bankroll to $500.

I thought NLHE was supposed to be lower variance than PLO?

Prima stats for $50nl:

Hands Played: 700
Lost: 11 buyins.
Most won in a hand: $17

Sighaments. I'd just started playing $100nl on FT too. Now I'm going to need to drop to $50nl again.

Might try some of the PLO games on Prima. I expect they will be pretty aggro.

Wow, that's nuts. Running bad, playing bad, or both?

I haven't played much the past few days. (job getting in the way)

Party Poker sent $125 bonus for some reason so I'm gonna see if I can work that in to something. They have plo there, but full ring, which is hard to get used to again after playing 6max for so long. A lot of limping and nut peddling going on at full ring....lol

These have all happened within my first 600 hands (my last 100 hands was uneventful):

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2128357
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2134740
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2128361
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2128362
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2134718
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2134730
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2128364
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2128367
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2134720
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2134731
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2128371
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2128570
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2128374

A lot of the marginal ones were fairly justified with prior reads and stats (imo). Any thoughts? Consider that in these games you get bluffraised a fair amount, and players are generally just really weird postflop.

I really think I'm playing generally pretty well, and I think I've just been running as bad as is possible. Just kinda sucks that PokerEV doesn't work for prima.

I've lost >$10 on 26 hands, and won >$10 on 6.
I've lost >$15 on 18 hands, and won >$15 on 4.
I've lost >$20 on 11 hands, and won >$20 on 1 (and that was a massive $22 win).


I like this thread. I feel like I'm allowed to rant about NL here because I started it.

f*ck poker. f*ck it right in the a*s

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2137852 <- 80/20 on the flop, guy calls check/raise with a gutshot and hits WTF

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2137869 <- Guy shoves with an open ender and hits, granted I'm 60/40 only, but I have to hold up somewhere no?

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2137881 <- 82/17 when the money goes in here - lose. Standard.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2137896 <- Lose another 65/35 to runner runner boat.....sigh.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2137905 <- Another 60/40 - calls off his stack on 783 flop with AKQQ....How don't I catch SOMETHING?


and on, and on, and on. 5 buyins below expectation today. I hate poker.

I run goot these last few days

Nice call buddy - 2nd high pair, no kicker FTW

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $24.50
UTG+1: $43.20
CO: $23.45
Button: $63.40
SB: $0
BB: $28.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 7 6 4 5
Hero raises to $0.85, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, BB calls.

Flop: 8 4 6 ($2.65, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.65, CO folds, BB calls.

Turn: 3 ($7.95, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.95, BB calls.

River: Q ($23.85, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $35.85
Hero showed 7d 6h 4s 5c
BB mucks Js Tc 8s Kd

Bud was talking to me on MSN and told me that there was a great game going at $100pl. Now I'm not rolled for it, but I thought it would be fine to play one session.



I did make one huge mistake in a big pot. Went with a read, it was wrong. I don't think it was too horrible but it definitely should have been a fold, even against a LAG that likes to semibluff/bluff a ton.

ouuuuuuch. Hands?

Ouch... variance sucks!

I am a donkey for not winning more money in this hand.

It helps that the villain is uber-passive...

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($2.55)
Button ($6.25)
Hero ($18.13)
BB ($5.34)
UTG ($3.67)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 7, 5, J.
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.25) 7, 7, 6 (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($0.25) Q (5 players)
Hero bets $0.25, BB folds, UTG folds, MP folds, Button calls $0.25.

River: ($0.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, Button calls $0.75.

Final Pot: $2.25

Results in white below:
Hero has Jd 7s 5c Js (four of a kind, sevens).
Button mucked [2s Qh 3d Qd] (Full house, queens full of sevens)
Outcome: Hero wins $2.25.

All of the biggest hands (both showdown and non showdown):

******* Hand 1 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $105
UTG+1: $286.65
CO: $259.95
Button: $100
SB: $372.10
BB: $134.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 6 A 9 7
Hero calls $1 (pot was $1.5), 3 folds, SB calls, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $3 (pot was $5), SB calls.

Flop: 6 7 8 ($12, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $12, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: 8 ($36, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: 7 ($36, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $23, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $23 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $36


******* Hand 2 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $100
UTG+1: $204.50
CO: $235.30
Button: $100
SB: $253.20
BB: $190.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A K 9 J
Hero calls $1 (pot was $1.5), UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB raises to $2, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $7 (pot was $10.5), UTG+1 folds, SB calls.

Flop: T Q Q ($25, 3 players)
SB bets $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $17, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: $16 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $27


******* Hand 3 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $100
UTG+1: $566.55
CO: $0
Hero: $98.50
SB: $357
BB: $256.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A A 3 T
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 9 9 A ($25.5, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $11.
Uncalled bets: $11 returned to Hero.

Turn: : ($25.5, 2 players)


Results:
Final pot: $25.5


******* Hand 4 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $203.50
UTG+1: $235.30
CO: $100
Button: $244.20
SB: $182.55
Hero: $116.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 7 A 5 A
3 folds, Button raises to $2, SB raises to $7, Hero raises to $23, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: 2 J Q ($69, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: J ($69, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $69, SB folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $69 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $69


******* Hand 5 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $50.50
UTG+1: $149.20
Hero: $99.50
Button: $96.65
SB: $296.30
BB: $230.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K 8 Q T
UTG raises to $3.5, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls $3.5 (pot was $8.5), 2 folds, BB raises to $18, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls $14.5 (pot was $57).

Flop: 3 5 8 ($72.5, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $1, UTG+1 raises to $75.5, Hero folds, BB folds, UTG calls all-in $31.5.
Uncalled bets: $43 returned to UTG+1.

Turn: 3 ($137.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $137.5)


River: 8 ($137.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $137.5)


Results:
Final pot: $137.5
UTG showed Ts Tc 3h Qh
UTG+1 showed Td Qd Jh 5c


******* Hand 6 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.5/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $554.55
Hero: $110.75
Button: $356.50
SB: $255.95
SB: $296.3
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 9 A 9 4
UTG calls, Hero calls $1 (pot was $2.5), BB checks.

Flop: 5 9 7 ($3.5, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: 6 ($9.5, 3 players)
UTG bets $9, Hero calls $9 (pot was $18.5).

River: A ($27.5, 3 players)
UTG bets $27, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $27 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $27.5


******* Hand 7 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $98.70
Hero: $100
CO: $96.65
Button: $295.80
SB: $212.70
BB: $134.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K 6 K 4
UTG raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 5 A 4 ($36.5, 3 players)
BB bets $1, UTG calls, Hero calls $1 (pot was $38.5).

Turn: A ($39.5, 3 players)
BB bets $1, UTG raises to $21.75, Hero folds, BB raises to $105.75, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: $84 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $83


******* Hand 8 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $295.8
UTG: $310
CO: $216.55
Hero: $100
SB: $99
BB: $236.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J T Q K
UTG raises to $2, CO calls, Hero raises to $9.5, 2 folds, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: 8 8 9 ($30, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 6 ($30, 3 players)
UTG bets $30, CO folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $30 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $30


******* Hand 9 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $294.30
UTG+1: $99.50
CO: $420.15
Button: $78.80
Hero: $99
BB: $196.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A Q J 9
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button folds, Hero calls $1.5 (pot was $3.5), BB folds.

Flop: T 9 6 ($5, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero calls $5 (pot was $10).

Turn: A ($15, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: 7 ($15, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $15, Hero calls $15 (pot was $30).

Results:
Final pot: $45
CO showed 3c 3d 3h 2s
Hero showed Ad Qc Jd 9h


******* Hand 10 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $169.20
CO: $144.75
Hero: $98.50
SB: $274.30
UTG: $294.3
BB: $210.70

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T 7 A 9
UTG folds, CO raises to $3.5, Hero calls $3.5 (pot was $5), 2 folds.

Flop: A 5 2 ($8.5, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 3 ($8.5, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: 9 ($8.5, 2 players)
CO bets $4.25, Hero raises to $21.25, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $51
Hero showed Td 7s As 9h
CO mucks 8h 3h Js 8s


******* Hand 11 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $292.80
UTG+1: $100
CO: $363.15
Button: $79.80
Hero: $118.75
BB: $236.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K A 6 T
3 folds, Button raises to $3.5, Hero calls $3 (pot was $5), BB calls.

Flop: A 6 5 ($10.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets $10.5, Hero raises to $42, BB folds, Button raises all-in $76.3, Hero calls $34.3 (pot was $128.8).

Turn: 9 ($163.1, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $163.1)


River: 2 ($163.1, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $163.1)


Results:
Final pot: $163.1
Button showed 7h 8h 5c 7s
Hero showed Kc Ah 6s Th


******* Hand 12 ********

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $100
UTG+1: $295.40
CO: $152.05
Hero: $99.50
SB: $202.50
BB: $235.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 9 8 7 4
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $2, CO calls, Hero calls $2 (pot was $5.5), SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: J 4 4 ($8.5, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1, CO calls, Hero raises to $12.5, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $48, CO folds, Hero raises all-in $97.5, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 3 ($204.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $204.5)


River: 5 ($204.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $204.5)


Results:
Final pot: $204.5
UTG+1 showed Th Qc 4d As
Hero showed 9c 8s 7s 4c


******* Hand 13 ********

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $128.90
Hero: $120.70
Button: $110.30
SB: $269.30
BB: $235.3
BB: $312

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with K 5 K J
UTG raises to $3.5, Hero calls $3.5 (pot was $5), Button calls, SB calls, BB raises to $6, UTG calls, Hero calls $2.5 (pot was $21.5), Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: 9 K 7 ($30, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, UTG raises to $39, Hero raises all-in $114.7, Button calls all-in $104.3, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Turn: T ($265.4, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $345.9)


River: 6 ($265.4, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $345.9)


Results:
Final pot: $265.4
UTG showed Th 9c 3h 8c
Hero showed Ks 5h Kc Jh
Button showed Ah 8h 7d 3c

Stack sizes:
UTG: $258.45
UTG+1: $100
CO: $383.50
Button: $126.65
Hero: $120.70
BB: $260.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 6 6 Q Q
2 folds, CO calls, Button raises to $4.5, Hero calls $4 (pot was $7), BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: 5 4 7 ($14.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: 2 ($14.5, 3 players)
Hero bets $11, CO raises to $47.5, Button folds,

Hero? This guy is 82/32/1.6 over 120 hands. Obv his postflop aggression is very low, but he does make some crazy moves:

cutio813 calls $1
PhinsAce3 raises to $4.50
Simo123 calls $4.50
nickelndimen calls $4.50
bundys folds
Prufrockstar folds
cutio813 calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [7h 7c 9c]
cutio813 bets $1
PhinsAce3 folds
Simo123 adds $4.50
Simo123 folds
nickelndimen calls $1
*** TURN *** [7h 7c 9c] [6h]
cutio813 has 15 seconds left to act
cutio813 bets $1
nickelndimen calls $1
*** RIVER *** [7h 7c 9c 6h] [Ks]
cutio813 bets $1
nickelndimen raises to $26.50
cutio813 has 15 seconds left to act
cutio813 raises to $103
nickelndimen calls $65.50, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $11 returned to cutio813
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cutio813 shows [6c As 4s Qs] two pair, Sevens and Sixes
nickelndimen shows [5c Kd Kh 7s] a full house, Kings full of Sevens


Nojento raises to $3.50
bundys has 15 seconds left to act
bundys calls $3.50
SwaggerCanon raises to $15.50
cutio813 raises to $27.50
PhinsAce3 folds
Nojento has 15 seconds left to act
Nojento raises to $40, and is all in
bundys folds
SwaggerCanon raises to $152
cutio813 has 15 seconds left to act
cutio813 calls $124.50
*** FLOP *** [Kd Ks 3h]
cutio813 bets $12.70, and is all in
SwaggerCanon calls $12.70
cutio813 shows [4s 5s 5d Qc]
Nojento shows [9h Th Jh 3s]
SwaggerCanon shows [Kc Ac 9d Ad]
*** TURN *** [Kd Ks 3h] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Kd Ks 3h Qs] [2s]
cutio813 shows a flush, King high
SwaggerCanon shows three of a kind, Kings
cutio813 wins the side pot ($249.40) with a flush, King high
Nojento shows two pair, Kings and Threes
cutio813 wins the main pot ($121.50) with a flush, King high


cutio813 raises to $2
PhinsAce3 folds
Simo123 calls $1.50
nickelndimen folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9c 6d]
Simo123 checks
cutio813 bets $5
Simo123 calls $5
*** TURN *** [Ts 9c 6d] [As]
Simo123 checks
cutio813 checks
*** RIVER *** [Ts 9c 6d As] [7c]
Simo123 checks
cutio813 has 15 seconds left to act
cutio813 bets $15
Simo123 calls $15
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cutio813 shows [3c 3d 3h 2s] a pair of Threes
Simo123 shows [Ad Qc Jd 9h] two pair, Aces and Nines


In the main hand, can/should I give him credit for a straight there given he checked the flop? I have two blockers for a straight, and I do have an overpair+flush draw to back up the bluff. I think he folds a naked 2 pair to a shove, and I'm beating a draw or a bluff anyway.

If shoving is bad (ok it probably is), just how bad is it?

*sigh* It was one of "those" days:

I admit that I started tilting... but come on! There is a ~600 ptbb discrepancy between my equity and my outcome over 1500 hands (that's 12 buy-ins ENTIRELY due to variance). I posted the graph in BB because it underscores the size of the variance I experienced. Thankfully, this is only 2c/5c, so this is only an actual loss of $88.



Here's one sample hand:
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.05 BB (4 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($16.27)
Button ($5.62)
SB ($4.93)
BB ($3.77)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J, A, Q.
Hero raises to $0.17, Button calls $0.17, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.12.

Flop: ($0.68) A, T, 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($0.68) 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.55, Button calls $0.55, SB folds, BB calls $0.55.

River: ($2.33) T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.55, Button raises to $3.1, BB folds, Hero raises to $10.35, Button calls $1.80 (All-In).

Final Pot: $12.13

Results below:
Hero showed [Ac Jd As Qh] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Tens
Button showed [Ts 5h 6d Td] and won ($11.53) with four of a kind, Tens
Outcome: Button wins $12.13.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

UTG ($19.30)
MP ($45.70)
Button ($15.65)
SB ($14.50)
Hero ($28.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 , 8 , 7 , J .
UTG calls $0.25, MP raises to $1, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75, UTG folds.

Flop: ($4.25) 6 , 9 , 4 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $3.5, Button folds, SB calls $3.50, Hero raises to $18.05, MP raises to $44.7, SB folds, Hero calls $9.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($62.85) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($62.85) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $62.85



Seat 3: tizzy 2 time showed [4h 4s 7c Jc] and won ($60.85) with three of a kind, Fours


Worst call ever. He's either drawing to one out or dodging between 17 and 24 outs twice... i think.

I hate everything. And yes I would not have posted this if i had won the hand.

I feel your pain. I had a lot of similar donk calls against me the other day.

Here's a nice suckout to show that variance was kind to me today:


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.05 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($0.63)
UTG ($16.75)
MP ($12.21)
Hero ($4.87)
Button ($5.81)
SB ($1.53)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T, 8, 8, A.
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.22) 7, 7, 2 (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($0.22) 8 (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.22, Button raises to $0.44, BB folds, MP folds, Hero raises to $1.54, Button calls $1.10.

River: ($3.30) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.15, Button calls $3.15.

Final Pot: $9.60

Results below:
Hero shows [Th 8h 8c Ad] (four of a kind, Eights)
Button mucked [2d Qh 7h 7c] (four of a kind, Sevens)
Outcome: Hero wins $9.60.

lol that's amazing runner runner quads to beat flopped quads

weeeee?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

UTG ($31.65)
MP ($18.95)
Button ($37.30)
SB ($24.75)
Hero ($36.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J , 8 , 9 , T .
UTG calls $0.25, MP raises to $1.1, Button raises to $3.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, UTG calls $3, MP raises to $16.35, Button raises to $37.3, Hero calls $33.30 (All-In), UTG calls $28.40 (All-In), MP calls $2.60 (All-In).

Flop: ($123.80) A , Q , K (4 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: ($123.80) T (4 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($123.80) 8 (4 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $123.80


Seat 1: UTG mucked [2s 7s 5h 8h]
Seat 2: CO mucked [Ac 9d Ah Ks]
Seat 3: Button mucked [Kd Ad Qc Tc]

Weeee flipaments

When the SB check-raised me, I started to think I might be free-rolled... I'm glad I was wrong (I can't understand how he checkraises w/o the nuts or a super draw, but I'm glad he does). It would have been nice to dodge a diamond, but I can't complain...

Whee! This pot is at a 2c/5c table!

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.05 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($4.66)
CO ($3.12)
Hero ($25.99)
SB ($27.51)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.66)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 8, 7, Q.
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, SB completes, BB raises to $0.25, MP calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20.

Flop: ($1) 6, 5, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.95, MP calls $0.95, Hero raises to $4.75, SB raises to $16.15, BB calls $3.80 (All-In), MP calls $3.46 (All-In), Hero raises to $25.74, SB calls $9.59.

Turn: ($19.66) 3 (4 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($19.66) J (4 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $61.64

Results below:
SB has 3h Ah 3s 7c (straight, seven high).
BB has 5d As Jc Js (flush, jack high).
Hero shows [6h 8s 7h Qs] (a straight, Four to Eight)
MP shows [9d Qd 4c 9s] (a flush, Queen high)
Outcome: Hero wins $41.98. MP wins $18.64. [/color]

What a fag...chasing his spades and backs in to the suckout straight...fk
Granted he did have a big hand

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $54.55
UTG+1: $61.15
CO: $17.50
Button: $50.40
SB: $26.60
BB: $34.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K A A 6
Hero raises to $1.75, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 2 A J ($5.5, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.5, UTG+1 calls, BB folds.

Turn: 3 ($16.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $16.5, UTG+1 calls.

River: T ($49.5, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $30.8, UTG+1 calls.

Results:
Final pot: $111.1
Hero showed Kd Ad Ah 6h
UTG+1 showed Ks Qh Tc Ts

It was another one of those ... "negative variance" days.

It would cost less if I tilted less (I'm still working on that).



It's only $60, but this is all at 2c/5c, so that is 6 double buy-ins of variance

What a day...dropped 4 buyins -- just glad it was at 25 instead of 50. wee for proper br-aments


Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $26.40
Button: $54.45
Hero: $34.15
BB: $5.75

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with 9 J T 8
UTG folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: Q 7 8 ($0.75, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.75, Button raises to $3, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: 8 ($9.75, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets $7.25, Hero raises all-in $30.9, BB calls all-in $2.5, Button calls.

River: 7 ($74.05, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $17.25, Sidepot 1: $56.8)


Results:
Final pot: $74.05
Hero showed 9h Js Td 8d
BB showed Jc 4s 9d Th
Button showed Ks 8h As Qc
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Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.20
UTG+1: $62.85
Hero: $25.35
Button: $13
SB: $44.70
BB: $35.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q 3 3 Q
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $1.1, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 6 5 J ($3.4, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.5, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 4 ($10.9, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $10.9, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: K ($32.7, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero is all-in $10.85, UTG+1 calls.

Results:
Final pot: $54.4
UTG+1 showed 4h 5d 7c 7h
Hero showed Qd 3c 3h Qh
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Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
UTG+1: $88.40
CO: $38.40
Button: $50.10
SB: $38.90
Hero: $25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 9 A A Q
3 folds, Button raises to $0.5, SB raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $5.75, Button folds, SB raises to $19.4, Hero raises all-in $25, SB calls.

Flop: 6 2 8 ($50.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $50.5)


Turn: 8 ($50.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $50.5)


River: 7 ($50.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $50.5)


Results:
Final pot: $50.5
SB showed Ah 7s 7h As
Hero showed 9d Ac Ad Qh
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Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $32.80
UTG+1: $19.75
CO: $25.55
Button: $7.20
Hero: $27.05
BB: $44.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A 4 T 3
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls.

Flop: T A Q ($1.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB calls.

Turn: 8 ($4.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, BB calls.

River: J ($11, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $11, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $33
BB showed 6c 7c 2d Kd
Hero mucks Ah 4d Td 3h

It's hands like this that Pokerstars should have a Bad Beat Jackpot but I doubt they ever will.

Normally for omaha, you need straight flush over straight flush to qualify for a BBJ, although I haven't played in a omaha game that had a BBJ in a *long* time, so I could be remembering the minimum qualifying requirements incorrectly.

That would be difficult but would probably build a pretty big jackpot in between hits. I thought it would just be quads over quads minimum qualifying.

Honestly, I don't remember... I know it varies from place to place, but you may be right on average.

fuuuuuuuuuuckin whiffaments....

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $56.80
UTG+1: $82.90
CO: $47.75
Button: $64.35
SB: $55.70
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 8 J Q A
Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Button raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T K 3 ($12.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $12.75, Hero raises all-in $50.8, Button calls.

Turn: 4 ($114.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $114.35)


River: 7 ($114.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $114.35)


Results:
Final pot: $114.35
Button showed As Kd Ks Jd
Hero showed 8c Jc Qh Ah

How nice they both hit sets and I can't find a diamond

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $50.95
UTG+1: $74
CO: $51.25
Hero: $60.35
SB: $70.10
BB: $26.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 4 A A 4
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 2 T 7 ($9, 4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $9, UTG calls, Hero raises to $45, SB raises all-in $67.85, BB calls all-in $15.45, UTG folds, Hero calls all-in $13.1.
Uncalled bets: $9.75 returned to SB.

Turn: 9 ($60.45, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $91.35, Sidepot 1: $51.85)


River: Q ($60.45, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $91.35, Sidepot 1: $51.85)


Results:
Final pot: $60.45 <-- main pot obv - full pot ~$146
SB showed 2s 8d 7h 7c
BB showed Ts 9h Tc Th
Hero showed 4h Ad Ac 4d

If he hits his flush I can deal with that, but the fucking DEUCE ftl? weaksauce..


Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $19.50
CO: $84.60
Button: $68.60
SB: $25.80
Hero: $50.90

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A A K J
UTG folds, CO calls, Button raises to $2.25, SB folds, Hero raises to $7.5, CO folds, Button calls.

Flop: 8 6 T ($15.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $15.75, Button raises all-in $61.1, Hero calls all-in $27.65.
Uncalled bets: $17.7 returned to Button.

Turn: 2 ($102.55, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $102.55)


River: 4 ($102.55, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $102.55)


Results:
Final pot: $102.55
Button showed Jd 2s Js 6d
Hero showed Ah Ad Kh Jc

More weaksauceaments

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.20
Hero: $81.10
CO: $26
Button: $47.50
SB: $48.10
BB: $32.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 6 6 A A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 6 5 2 ($7, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $5.5, CO raises to $23.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $47, CO calls all-in $0.75.
Uncalled bets: $22.75 returned to Hero.

Turn: K ($55.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $55.5)


River: Q ($55.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $55.5)


Results:
Final pot: $55.5
Hero showed 6s 6c Ah As
CO showed Qh Qc Tc Jd

Well at least there are some fish at the next level, good to know. I mean TTT9, 2778, and JJ26 (calling 3-bet!?!?).

Edit: Just realized the JJ26 hand was double suited, so that makes it...






Still Donkalicious