What line do you guys prefer for this turn:
1) Lead turn
2) Check with the intention of raising allin
3) Something else: perhaps open folding turn in honour of JFarrell.

Button is 42/6/2 through 69 hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($21.05)
MP ($199.95)
Hero ($152)
Button ($54.20)
SB ($94)
BB ($88.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) A, 6, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6.

Turn: ($21.50) T (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $8, Hero raises to $62, Button calls $36.20 (All-In).

River: ($109.90) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $109.90

I'm not a big fan, I'd rather bet the $8 on the turn myself and if button pushes, just save the money.

I usually lead the turn here for about 15 bucks, and then puke if he pushes in for 29 on top. If i decide to take a different line, I'll probably want to keep this pot small on the turn.

I agree with you except on the puking part. I'd rather not make a mess throwing up everywhere, but I don't like check-raising either.

i much prefer betting about $10 on the turn rather than c/r, it gets more money than necessary committed in sort of a marginal spot

I like your line against a guy playing 50bb. You hand is really strong against this type of player who is capable of stacking off with any A and even the Kd on thus turn. Check pushing turn lets you get it all in against all the hands you beat and he pays us off with. Players like this can never fold a medicore A and i think making them pay with their stack is optimal and prefered to just betting turn again.

Are you considering mucking this hand at any point? I would be prepared to play this hand for stacks for 50bb so all i am thinking about is the best way to get it all in to make sure we gain maximum value from the hands we beat to make up for the times we are beat. Other lines ensure that you lose the max when behind (if made flush calls your turn bet and a blank comes off on the river are you ever folding river?) but make the minimum when ahead. Even if we get it all in on the turn behind we have at least 8-9 outs anyway. These half stacked loose passive donks don't need a strong hand to get it in on these boards so make them pay. IMO check pushing is a far superior play to any other line available here and the main considerations is the stack and type of player we are up against.


There are also metagame concerns afloat if regulars in the game are paying attention, in that they will think twice about floating your cbets with the intention of betting the turn if checked to.

here's the flaw i see in your assessment...you say that they will stack off with a worse ace or the Kd, and you consider him to be passive, yet you are arguing for checking? that doesn't make sense, the best play has to be betting out and letting him pay us off, rather than checking and praying that he doesn't check behind, which he will a large percentage of the time since you consider him to be passive...and if he does flat-call the turn, you should just c/c the river, and if he has a flush, oh well

Thats the third nut flush sir.

I don't like the bet on the turn all that much. Villian could have flopped aces and the nut flush draw, or just have had a flush draw. You're really only beating Adxx and thats probably not gonna call. I think he only calls the turn with things that beat you, so shoving seems wrong to me.

second thread you've done this in. what does somebody having 50bb have anything to do with how light they will stack off?

Are you serious?

LOL at me mistyping that

I immediately didn't like my line the second I did it. I have killed any fold equity a lead out bet would have. When I check-raise allin, not only is he most likely calling, but his call range quickly shrivels up.

This hand should have been played out one of two ways:
1) Lead for $15-ish with the intention of puking at any raise from a calling station
2) Check-call ordinary bets. Not sure what I would do if he pushes allin.

If I were to replay the hand, then I would lead $15 on turn.

Before you jump all over him, don't forget I did also post the villain's stats as 42/6/2. Loose/Passive preflop, fairly standard post-flop.

Also, for a new poster, his responses show a lot of reflection and thought. Don't jump all over him.

Bingo. We've got a "good" hand in a somewhat marginal spot OOP. Check/calling here for pot control isn't a terrible idea. Without the Qd, I think we need to go with a bet/fold. Oh...and fold to the all-in on the turn if you go that route. I'm not saying it's an insta-fold, but against this guy, I think it'd be the right one.

Don't you love how hindsight is 20/20. I had managed to play the hand in a way that folds out almost anything that I beat (except perhaps something like AJ with the ace of diamonds). Villain rolled over 22 for the flopped set.