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shinzilla
Villain is 50/14/1.88 after 30 hands. Hasn't shown down any hands yet.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($132.05)
CO ($100)
Button ($145.95)
SB ($136.20)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($389.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9.
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $6, UTG calls $4, SB calls $4.

Flop: ($16) 2, 7, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, UTG folds, SB raises to $28, Hero calls $18.

Turn: ($72) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($72) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $23, Hero...

This hand's just disgusting. Call the river or no? Does anyone play the flop or turn differently?
nomad_monad
the c/r could easily just be him putting you on a squeeze steal or possibly whiffed overs. the c/r on such a dry flop is kind of suspicious to me.

normally i'd bet about 1/2 pot on the turn to try for a free showdown but here that pretty much commits you to the hand. tough spot - i check behind on the turn as well.

river - i have a really difficult time ever folding to a river bet that gives me 4-1 or better even on a hand like this. maybe it's a leak.
NoBBiR
I think calling the river is terrible because you're really not beating anything. Most likely he doesn't hold an ace if he didn't bet out again on the turn, so I'd say he has JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77, 66. 66 is really all that you beat, and it seems unlikely. His river bet looks sort of weak at 1/3 of the pot, so I think a raise is not a bad play with a fold to a repop.

If you think you can get him to lay down a pair like tens or jacks then raising is fine, but you said he hasn't shown down any hands so you don't know how sticky he is with those hands. Personally I think folding is the best play because our line probably isn't going to scare him off of JJ or TT which I think this is most of the time, and he's obv not going anywhere with 88. Fold>Raise>Call.

***EDIT Raising means your not folding, so it'd be a shove. So I pretty much hate that as much as calling. I think this is almost always a fold.
nomad_monad
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 3:13 PM) *
I think calling the river is terrible because you're really not beating anything. Most likely he doesn't hold an ace if he didn't bet out again on the turn, so I'd say he has JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77, 66. 66 is really all that you beat, and it seems unlikely. His river bet looks sort of weak at 1/3 of the pot, so I think a raise is not a bad play with a fold to a repop.

If you think you can get him to lay down a pair like tens or jacks then raising is fine, but you said he hasn't shown down any hands so you don't know how sticky he is with those hands. Personally I think folding is the best play because our line probably isn't going to scare him off of JJ or TT which I think this is most of the time, and he's obv not going anywhere with 88. Fold>Raise>Call.


Shouldn't we take JJ/TT out of villain's range? His call/raise ratio pf is obv pretty bad, but he still does raise 14% of the time, which means he'd probably be raising with those hands even from the SB in 6 max.

Seems like this is either a bluff with air/lower pp or 7x/88. if it's 7x, the turn check probably means he has a really crappy kicker or A7 - not that it really matters since i doubt he folds even 73 much if we were to raise.
Syntonic
He limped and then called your raise.

It's hard to put this guy on a hand - it's possible he could have like 44 or 55. I doubt he has the A, unless he's playing sneaky, and the raise on the flop indicates that he doesn't have the 7, so I put him on a smaller pair.

I call here, it's very possible we're ahead.
Acid_Knight
Getting 4-1 this is a no brainer call on the river. Do we really think he has TT+ here? He c/rs the flop thinking we missed, but we call. Don't know what to make of the A turning and him checking, but the river is a call. We have very good pot odds, a hand that he won't put us on and if nothing else, we pay for a little information.

He really can't have a bigger PP than us after completing the SB and then flat calling a raise. If he had 88, he'd make a bigger bet on the river. I think this is something liek 33-66 most of the time and sometimes it's something gay like AJ or AT where he caught on the turn and checked anyway.
NoBBiR
Alright I think I should delete my post, I didn't notice this was 6 max either.

Still I think calling the river is 50/50. We beat 44 55 66, but we lose to 88 78s 67s 77 and pretty much everything else he could have. I guess based on that, and getting 4:1 I would have to call.
nomad_monad
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 3:29 PM) *
Alright I think I should delete my post, I didn't notice this was 6 max either.


There are certainly worse posting mistakes one can make
Syntonic
I laugh when this guy turns over 4-2 of hearts.
BuffDan
I call here, but I am a calling station so take that for what it is worth. The only thing I can add is this could be something like JQ that check raised us on the flop hoping we'd fold our missed overs, then gave up on the turn, saw that we didn't like the ace so took another stab on the river.
dms26
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 6:29 PM) *
Alright I think I should delete my post, I didn't notice this was 6 max either.

Still I think calling the river is 50/50. We beat 44 55 66, but we lose to 88 78s 67s 77 and pretty much everything else he could have. I guess based on that, and getting 4:1 I would have to call.


You're assuming he had a hand when he raised the flop. He could raise there with any 2 given that the board paired on the flop and he could get OP to fold overs. Also I've noticed some players will insta bet the river if you check behind on the turn. I wouldn't be too surprised to see a hand like JTs, QTo or something similar. Hopefully he doesn't have a weak ace or a suited connector with an 8.

Also I think if you are going to raise preflop I'd make more than 6 with 2 limpers. They aren't going anywhere for $4, unless you are just trying to build a pot for set value.
7s7c
I call as well.

On another note doesn't anyone set mine anymore? You aggressive kids today....
dms26
QUOTE (7s7c @ Friday, August 3rd, 2007, 12:41 PM) *
I call as well.

On another note doesn't anyone set mine anymore? You aggressive kids today....



I love to set mine on full ring tables
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