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Naismith
Okay, I'm sitting on about 600 dollars playing 1/2 NL.

UTG raises to 10. I call with Kd9d. The button makes it 20. UTG calls. I call. Both players have ~200.

The flop is 987 with one diamond.

Checks to the button who bets 35. UTG folds. I call.

Turn is a 6d.

I push all in.

Top pair, second kicker baby!

Likes? Dislikes?
Metternich
Is this for real? I hate the whole thing. There are so many straights out there, not the mention the fact that you could be easily up against a set. Anyone who would call your shove would have you badly beat. Your only chance is probably a diamond, and thats a pretty long shot to put $500 on.
Syntonic
I think it's a good play, they're a good chance you're ahead anyways, but even if you aren't the villian might fold if he's scared of the straight, etc.

Even if you're behind you still have a bunch of outs, so I think considering what was in the pot, and how much he had left, it's the right move.

I'm guessing he called?

Edit: Metternich, based on preflop action I doubt this guy is holding a 10 or a 6. His bet on the flop looks like a pretty standard continuation bet - chances are he's holding AQ or something.
Naismith
QUOTE (decypher @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 2:36 PM) *
Edit: Metternich, based on preflop action I doubt this guy is holding a 10 or a 6. His bet on the flop looks like a pretty standard continuation bet - chances are he's holding AQ or something.


Also, keep in mind I'm only risking 500 more dollars if they suddenly allow the guy to pull cash out of his pocket. As it is, I'm putting him all in for roughly a pot sized bet. smile.gif
nomad_monad
i'm not pitching this draw
given that, i'd rather bet it

with villain min reraising pf, the only hand that concerns me is TT. i doubt at 1/2 live he folds an overpair much, but i expect even our K to be an out a lot of the times so we don't need to pick up much fold equity. plus it's good for image.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (Metternich @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 2:35 PM) *
Is this for real? I hate the whole thing. There are so many straights out there, not the mention the fact that you could be easily up against a set. Anyone who would call your shove would have you badly beat. Your only chance is probably a diamond, and thats a pretty long shot to put $500 on.

You're calling someone's all in if you have a set and the board reads 6789 with 2 diamonds? I think that's a losing play.

This is a semi bluff. The Villain really should be folding 2 pair and sets to this bet. If we get called by those hands, we have outs. If he calls with 2 pair, we have lots of outs. If he calls with a set, we have 8 outs to win and 6 more to tie, so I think it's a good play.

WOOF WOOF
NoBBiR
Don't you remember the rule Acid? Never fold a set. Yeah, I hate that rule too.

I likey smile.gif
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 3:20 PM) *
Don't you remember the rule Acid? Never fold a set. Yeah, I hate that rule too.

I likey smile.gif

It's not my rule. I just tell it to other people so that I don't have to come up with more complicated anayses that they won't agree with anyway.
Naismith
Villain instainstainstainstainstainstacalled. River was Qd. He was sad. He had 77. I assumed he had AA, QQ or AK here.
NoBBiR
QUOTE (Naismith @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 4:26 PM) *
Villain instainstainstainstainstainstacalled. River was Qd. He was sad. He had 77. I assumed he had AA, QQ or AK here.


happy.gif
antistuff
you got yourself involved in a big pot against a early position raiser and a re raiser for 10% of the effective stack size with k9s.

i dont think it matters much what you do, you lost.
TraptSteve
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 1:53 PM) *
You're calling someone's all in if you have a set and the board reads 6789 with 2 diamonds? I think that's a losing play.

This is a semi bluff. The Villain really should be folding 2 pair and sets to this bet. If we get called by those hands, we have outs. If he calls with 2 pair, we have lots of outs. If he calls with a set, we have 8 outs to win and 6 more to tie, so I think it's a good play.

WOOF WOOF



This is live 1-2 NL. The play itself looks transparent; if the hero really did make his straight on the turn, why is he open-shoving with it? I assumed we like to get value out of a draw that hit. Why attempt to blow the villain out of the pot?

A player who min raises w/ a high pocket pair preflop, then makes a decent bet on the flop probably isn't getting away from it. He's probably considering the same split outs the hero was.

All in all, I don't mind attempting to pick up the pot, but perhaps with a play that better supports the hand were representing.
dms26
I don't have a problem with it, you give an overpair (except TT) a tough decision. If you do get called by AA or KK you just gotta river the runner runner, simple.

If you know he can't lay down a big pair though I think a blocking bet might be the best option to try and see a cheap river. Villain can't like that turn card, a min re-raise just seems like a big hand preflop.
dms26
QUOTE (Naismith @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 8:26 PM) *
Villain instainstainstainstainstainstacalled. River was Qd. He was sad. He had 77. I assumed he had AA, QQ or AK here.



boom, spot on analysis by me.

kinda surprised he had a mid pocket pair there though
sierradave
QUOTE (TraptSteve @ Friday, August 3rd, 2007, 6:28 AM) *
All in all, I don't mind attempting to pick up the pot, but perhaps with a play that better supports the hand were representing.


Stack size is a problem there, though. If villain has basically one pot-sized bet left, the only play with any fold equity is the all-in push. If you check and the villain bets half the pot, you're check-raise will give villain 4-to-1 on a call.

If we check and the villain pushes, we're getting 2-to-1 on a draw that has between 7 and 14 outs. Fold equity would be nice here, and it seems like the push is the only play that gives it.

With that said, you cracked somebody's set with a runner-runner flush draw. Every time someone does that, God kicks a puppy.
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (Naismith @ Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 4:26 PM) *
He was sad.




LOL ...
Naismith
QUOTE (sierradave @ Sunday, August 5th, 2007, 9:43 AM) *
With that said, you cracked somebody's set with a runner-runner flush draw. Every time someone does that, God kicks a puppy.


...and then gets indicted with Michael Vick?

Don't worry, the poker gods evened it out a couple hands later when his AJ cracked my KK AIPF. smile.gif
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