I'm sure at some level, this isn't going to work, but for the last few weeks, I've had good results with this. Here's an example from yesterday:

Playing 1-2 NL.

Weak player opens for 10. Two calls to me. I call. Short stack in the SB goes all in for 48. Initial raiser calls. Two other calls to me. I shove all in.

Factors --

1 - My stack behind and the stacks behind the other players that have called are big enough to not be priced in.

2 - No weak-tight old guy that never raises with AA or KK because "it's stupid to raise without seeing all the cards".

3 - Enough dead money in there that you're getting appropriate odds against the short stack's range.

4 - My hand has some potential.

So far, I've had very good results with this, every time getting it heads up, being laid 5:1. I haven't had one of the other callers call me yet and, really, they almost never should with their action. The short stack doesn't have to have a huge hand to push in this situation and it makes no sense for a big hand to just call that raise before the action gets to you.

The negative is that our action in this situation looks more like TT or AQ than it does AA. I'm not sure I'd suggest this against a really observant, thinking player, especially if they're on your immediate right.

This HAS to be good for metagame as well.

Yr in good shape.

I like this play especially since you rarely see shorter stacks reload before they bust at this level for some reason. Normally you have tremendous odds and can get HU rather easily against the player playing as if it's a tournament.

I like the move, what hand did you have?

A straight, after the turn!

I am unwilling to answer this question.

I think the play has potential. The only thing is that to any observant player given the action so far, it's almost impossible that you have a big hand here and thus, they should be calling with a much wider range as well. However, from the way you describe the opposition at your tables, I wouldn't think that "observant and thinking" are tags usually applied to them.

FWIW, how often does this come up?

Agreed, and I mentioned that in the OP. The thing is, even if there is a good, observant player, he would almost need to be on your immediate right to call or else you've put a pretty good squeeze on him. Even if he puts you on a move, it would be a difficult call to make with another player or two still to act.

The other side of this coin is that it might be worth smooth calling a raise with a big hand when one of the guys still to act has a small stack to get in this exact situation but while actually holding a good hand.

It happened twice during yesterday's four hour session. I'd say around once per session is a modest guess.

I've done this a few times, but I got carried away at one point.

A guy in mid position in the late stages of a tourney moves allin for less than 2xbb after being crippled the hand before. Folds to me on the button with J2o. I shove for ~10bb to isolate with 2/1 'calling' odds.

The blinds fold but I lose to his A-X.

Marginal. At best.

Isn't this the move you used to get you a stack in your WSOP event?

Jay's metagame is AWESOME. Legendary.

Yes, never in a cash game before, though.

In the tourney, though, I hadn't called an original raise...I was last to act after the UTG all in, which was called in three different spots.

Saw Barry G. pull same move last night in Stars tourney. He did it with 10-8s

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Sorry about this absurdity, fellow strat posters. I'm not sure what Acid was thinking.

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I'm assuming this is a play based FOR hands like TT or AQ like it looks? I mean you still have to beat the shover to win the chips anyway so you aren't advocating doing this with all hands that have potential like suited connectors, right?

I've run this play a few times in my day. Come to think of it, I seem to always be doing it with TT after I don't feel good about playing a 4 handed pot with TT

THe idea is to do it with any 2 cards. The shover doesn't matter. The idea is to be getting 4-1 or more and you'll have odds against any holding that they have.

Yeah, here's the thing...the range of the all in here is sooooo big that you're getting the odds to go heads up with him with almost any two cards. For instance, the two times I pulled this play out yesterday, the hands were A2 and AJ. After my raise cleared out the riff raff, I was getting 5 or 6:1 as a not-very-big dog.

One of the two times, I was actually crippled and I'm still only a 7:3 dog. I won that one, by the way.

The small stack is pushing with any cards he wants to play, including hands like T-9 suited. Sure, you'll run into AA every so often, but hell, get AA heads up with your 9-8 getting 5:1 and see what happens. The times you get it all in with JT and find yourself ahead will more than make up for it.

Its certainly a good play and one that I'd like to have in my bag o' tricks but I can't honestly say I've ever seen the situation come up.

lol donkaments

You'll never guess what happened to me last night. Dropped a buy in to an old man who limped in the SMALL BLIND with KK when ALL EIGHT PLAYERS limped to him. Needless to say, his re-raise was totally inexplicable. And yeah, QQ not good enough.

please don't do that, do you know how long it will take to deflate his ego????

QFT

Kinda like a black hole. Once it reaches a certain size, it just tries to swallow anything that gets within its reach.

I like the play. It's similar to the mega-standard play I've pulled a few times recently, where I raise pf with a big pair (QQ-JJ-1010), get reraised all-in by a shortstack, one person calls the reraise, I shovel and they fold. They fold every time because, once I've shoveled into an otherwise dry sidepot, they become sure I have a monster. I like the idea of doing it not because you have a monster, but because doing so creates favorable pot odds.

Unfortunately, I'd need gigantic steel balls to actually pull this play in a livegame setting. Mine are normal-sized and made of gold (which may sound nice, but its a soft, maleable metal). I'll keep it in mind, though, and probably donkey-call someone next month after deciding they MUST be pulling Naismith's play on me. Very interesting.

This is from the Neg-O tonight. Look at how bad he sucks out on me on the river!

PokerStars Game #11260973731: Tournament #54748689, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/08/01 - 21:28:05 (ET)
Table '54748689 13' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: j2k99 (4490 in chips)
Seat 2: pixiesky (1395 in chips)
Seat 3: drj26 (6150 in chips)
Seat 4: option17 (3645 in chips)
Seat 5: GoCryWolfe (2775 in chips)
Seat 6: Ex_Matt (3405 in chips)
Seat 7: Acid_Knight (5291 in chips)
Seat 8: GillFinigan (4665 in chips)
Seat 9: BunnyRocks (3365 in chips)
Ex_Matt: posts small blind 15
Acid_Knight: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Acid_Knight [7c 2d]
GillFinigan: folds
BunnyRocks: calls 30
j2k99: raises 90 to 120
pixiesky: calls 120
drj26: folds
option17: calls 120
GoCryWolfe: folds
Ex_Matt: calls 105
Acid_Knight: raises 780 to 900
BunnyRocks: folds
BunnyRocks said, "well good on ya"
j2k99: calls 780
pixiesky: raises 495 to 1395 and is all-in
option17: folds
Ex_Matt: folds
Acid_Knight: calls 495
j2k99: calls 495
*** FLOP *** [2c 8h 5c]
Acid_Knight: bets 3896 and is all-in
j2k99: folds
*** TURN *** [2c 8h 5c] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [2c 8h 5c 4c] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Acid_Knight: shows [7c 2d] (a pair of Deuces)
pixiesky: shows [Kh Ad] (a straight, Ace to Five)
pixiesky collected 4455 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4455 | Rake 0
Board [2c 8h 5c 4c 3h]
Seat 1: j2k99 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: pixiesky showed [Kh Ad] and won (4455) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 3: drj26 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: option17 folded before Flop
Seat 5: GoCryWolfe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ex_Matt (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Acid_Knight (big blind) showed [7c 2d] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 8: GillFinigan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BunnyRocks folded before Flop