StupidKid
Wednesday, July 25th, 2007, 2:49 AM
QUOTE (The Nuts @ Wednesday, July 25th, 2007, 7:35 AM)

Do you guys honestly expect me to make a standard re-raise and muck my hand on the flop if an overcard comes down? A normal re-raise commits at least 1/3 of my chips to the pot. It's unlikely that I will force my opponent to fold. It's very likely that I will face just a call and I'll be out of position with a pair that can easily be exploited postflop. That's just me bloating a pot out of position against a big stack. I don't think I'm facing a 4-bet when a player has a big hand and position on me. He'd want to see a flop and that's what this guy would do.
If I make that commitment, then I'm going all the way and jamming any flop. No way I check/fold a flop after re-raising 1/3 of my stack. This is bleeding chips more than calling preflop is.
If I decide to raise, the other option is to shove preflop. But what hands call a preflop shove that tens have beat? AK, maybe AQ? If I shove, I'm too often dominated or in a race situation.
I preferred a call because I wanted to keep the pot small when out of position. Re-raising preflop then folding the flop is spew. By calling, I can leave myself a way to get out of the hand if one or more overcard hits on the flop. Once I re-raise, I am committing myself to go all the way with the hand whether it's a preflop shove or a stop and go play.
Anyways, villain's massive flop raise stunk of AK or AQ. Maybe 88 or 99. I'd expect a player to maximize their value with a big pair, not jam all-in here and stop the action. I snap called and villain did indeed have KK. The funny is that I would have given villain more credit had he just called the bet on the flop and I might have shut down on the turn. He never floated a single bet in the tournament. So if he called, he had to have something better than TT.
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So with this hand, it seems as if I'm going broke the majority of the time given this scenario. Either I'll overplay my hand preflop and pot commit myself. Or I'll get it all-in on a rag board like this with an overpair.
I agree much more with your thought process than others. A re-raise here is a tough spot, you're going to be out of position and likely see an over on the flop, so if he jus flat calls pf you have a big pot OOP with 1/3 of your stack invested = teh ghey.
I would also HATE to get 4-bet in this scenario. When we get called here we're vvvv. rarely in good shape. Racing or crushed.
On the flop, I dislike the lead, most worst hands are going to fold esp when you said that villain rarely floats the flop.
IMO would it not be better to CRAI in you know you're going to broke on a flop of unders here with our stack, there you gain chips from AK/AQ/KQ type hands where they c-bet and theres a chance you still get called by 99/88.
By leading you seem to be leaving yourself a get out clause, as you know villain will rarely float when he reshoves it should scream of JJ+, minimum 88/99 but these are fairly unlikely.
IDK how much sense this makes but w/e.