jmbreslin
Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 4:01 PM
Too early for reads. STT.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG (t1300)
UTG+1 (t3620)
MP1 (t1500)
Hero (t1460)
CO (t1420)
Button (t1300)
SB (t1400)
BB (t1500)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, Q

.
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20,
1 fold,
Hero raises to t120,
3 folds,
BB raises to t360, UTG calls t340, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t240.
Flop: (t1110) A

, J

, 3
(3 players)BB checks,
UTG bets t120, Hero calls t120, BB folds.
Turn: (t1350) 2
(2 players)UTG bets t120, Hero calls t120.
River: (t1590) 2
(2 players)UTG bets t100, Hero calls t100.
Final Pot: t1790
Constructive criticism at each point in the hand is welcome.
sabes99
Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 4:32 PM
constructively:
i am never calling pf here, with the UTG player in the pot here, it's difficult to imagine too many scenarios where you are ahead
as played, after committing myself as far as i did, i shove the turn and kick myself for calling pf
jmbreslin
Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 5:08 PM
Calling PF? I raised with a strong hand to cut down the field. I was hoping at the very least to isolate the 2 limpers, and possibly force one of them to fold. Is this not standard with AQs in this situation?
sabes99
Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 5:10 PM
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 5:08 PM)

Calling PF? I raised with a strong hand to cut down the field. I was hoping at the very least to isolate the 2 limpers, and possibly force one of them to fold. Is this not standard with AQs in this situation?
yes this is standard, i meant calling the re-raise
sry for the confusion there
jmbreslin
Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 5:18 PM
Okay, sorry.
So you would have folded to the BB reraise?
sabes99
Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 5:22 PM
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 5:18 PM)

Okay, sorry.
So you would have folded to the BB reraise?
yea definitely...two people limp and you raise them both, which indicates a lot of strength, and he makes a relatively small re-raise from OOP...now the UTG player calls...what exactly are you beating? i can't imagine you are a heavy favorite over any possible hands here, and can very easily be dominated
throwemaway
Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 6:17 PM
I fold after the reraise preflop..
As played...I probably call the flop..
Shove the turn after the second really weak bet
Shove the river if I didn't shove the turn
cubbybri
Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 6:41 PM
I think this is all pot odds pot odds pot odds.
I think you can call the raise preflop. It may not look good but there are donks that do much dumber things preflop. I just think at the levels you play(5.50s?) you can see a flop here. I do think sabes is dead on with what he is saying but I just want to state that the low limit games(I only play them) we'll see more hands than you would expect with higher stakes. So I would be OK with a fold here but I would not put you at any fault if you saw a flop.
Flop teeny donk bet. Well, you may well be behind here but what are the scenarios that call you to fold here. AA, JJ, AK and AJ(and if you include Aj here then you can include a split and some lesser aces). I don't like my chance but a Q would be nice now wouldn't it(better chance he has Ak then AA or JJ. Pot odds seem overwhelming. Now since there is an ace on board and you have an ace, the chances of him having a set are greater than AK. However, if you called preflop, I hope it is because you have put villain on larger range than stated so there is much better chance that you could be ahead, or you could spike a queen or a redraw. So if you saw the flop, I think you have to at min call this bet. Since I'm not sure where I'm at, but not convinced I'm beat I like the call.
Turn teeny bet. Your situation is the same but now you are getting even better pot odds. A better player with a good hand would now know you have something(pretty stron for same reasons we think he could be strong). Why such a small bet. Donkish if he is strong. I think I call here knowing I want to see showdown.
River he pulls it off again. You almost have to call here. If he's donk enough to bet so poorly then... good for him.. make some notes on him. But if he is donk enough to bet so extremely poorly, then he is probably donk enough to have a lot of A-rags here, or even using blocking bets with broadway cards and to dumb to make a bigger bet if he's bluffing.
Now I am not saying you are ahead(you could be very much behind here). Do you have any reads on this player? Cause he looks like a donk to me. The more you think he is not a donk, the more likely you should get away from this hand. If getting away from this hand, I think the best place would have been preflop.
After all the gibberish, I guess I come down to do you have a read on player(early so probabky an unknown). If no read, it should lean towards your normal feel at your level. Some people go don't respect until proven otherwise and some give respect until they know they are facing a donk.
Villain bets like a donk in any case. If he has you beat, he played each street like a total twit.
Zach6668
Monday, July 23rd, 2007, 12:11 AM
As played preflop, postflop is the best you can do. Anything else is just retarded.
Meh, I love AQs, so I'd prolly call pf, but I'm not sure if it's right.
StupidKid
Monday, July 23rd, 2007, 12:42 AM
To those saying shove turn/river I disagree.
I generally think the way you played this hand was ok, if we repop on any street we have to fold to a shove IMO and I don't think we are gettin called by a lot worse, MAYBE AJ.
jmbreslin
Monday, July 23rd, 2007, 5:03 AM
QUOTE (cubbybri @ Sunday, July 22nd, 2007, 10:41 PM)

I think this is all pot odds pot odds pot odds.
I looked back at the hand to see if there was an obvious mistake somewhere, but it seemed like one of those hands where I just had to keep going because of the pot odds even though I was likely on the losing end. That said, perhaps my initial decision to call the PF reraise is open for debate.
I called the reraise for two main reasons: (1) I was getting about 2-1 at that point to call; and (2) considering the quality of play early in $5.50's, I figured the pot odds justified the call. But looking at it now, I wasn't getting the right odds to call since the only hand in his range I'm likely ahead of PF is AJ. I've found play at $5.50 to be less donkish than $1.20, but I still don't think he would be making this reraise with anything worse than AJ. At $1.20 this could be a much wider range.
Once I made that decision, I just couldn't get away from the hand with the pot odds he was offering me. I wasn't too concerned about AA given the Ace in my hand and on the board, but I was concerned about KK, AJ, and AK. But when he's offering me 10-1 on the flop, slightly more than 10-1 on the turn, and about 15-1 on the river, I just had to call it down.
cubbybri
Monday, July 23rd, 2007, 7:37 AM
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Monday, July 23rd, 2007, 9:03 AM)

I looked back at the hand to see if there was an obvious mistake somewhere, but it seemed like one of those hands where I just had to keep going because of the pot odds even though I was likely on the losing end. That said, perhaps my initial decision to call the PF reraise is open for debate.
I called the reraise for two main reasons: (1) I was getting about 2-1 at that point to call; and (2) considering the quality of play early in $5.50's, I figured the pot odds justified the call. But looking at it now, I wasn't getting the right odds to call since the only hand in his range I'm likely ahead of PF is AJ. I've found play at $5.50 to be less donkish than $1.20, but I still don't think he would be making this reraise with anything worse than AJ. At $1.20 this could be a much wider range.
Once I made that decision, I just couldn't get away from the hand with the pot odds he was offering me. I wasn't too concerned about AA given the Ace in my hand and on the board, but I was concerned about KK, AJ, and AK. But when he's offering me 10-1 on the flop, slightly more than 10-1 on the turn, and about 15-1 on the river, I just had to call it down.
Nice you worked it out. The key is preflop here on how the rest of hand plays out.
hockey fan
Monday, July 23rd, 2007, 8:26 AM
Pre-flop is a bit loose, but post flop I like your line here.
I don't play the $5.50's, so bear that in mind, but at the lower levels I've seen KK, QQ and even A-rag sooted played the same way by the villian with an Ace on the flop. I think you're quite often ahead and, as you say, the pot odds are far too juicy to fold.
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