So it was the Daily Double B tonight...and this hand just happened....

Full Tilt Poker Game #3009535237: Daily Double - B (22427345), Table 90 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:57:27 ET - 2007/07/20
Seat 1: Iloveyou1 (7,111)
Seat 2: leebs12 (6,700)
Seat 3: qzzngwilly (21,865)
Seat 4: Poncer007 (2,230)
Seat 5: ripnnic (6,512)
Seat 6: troxbirds (100), is sitting out
Seat 7: chickenhawk9 (2,041)
Seat 8: kylemagera (7,861)
Seat 9: easyandy (8,743)
Iloveyou1 antes 25
leebs12 antes 25
qzzngwilly antes 25
Poncer007 antes 25
ripnnic antes 25
troxbirds antes 25
chickenhawk9 antes 25
kylemagera antes 25
easyandy antes 25
kylemagera posts the small blind of 120
easyandy posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to leebs12 [Ac As]
Iloveyou1 folds
leebs12 raises to 480
qzzngwilly folds
Poncer007 folds
ripnnic has 15 seconds left to act
ripnnic raises to 2,640
troxbirds folds
chickenhawk9 folds
kylemagera folds
easyandy folds
leebs12 raises to 4,800
ripnnic raises to 6,487, and is all in
leebs12 calls 1,687
ripnnic shows [Jd Jh]
leebs12 shows [Ac As]



I was just under the average stack size going into this hand. Is there anything I did wrong? I am steeming from the bad beat, but I never really have played AA well in middle position, so I was wondering If there was anything i did wrong in the preflop play. Thanks in advance for the advice.


Edit to remove information not needed for my question

Stop minraising. Stop posting bad beats.

Thanks for the flame, but I already mentioned how i wasnt asking about the beat, i was asking about the preflop play. I min-raised because I had an extremely tight table image, and everyone was folding any time i did a standard raise. When he reraised me, should I have raised enough to put him all in, or was i correct in giving him a chance to see the flop without going all in?

Changing the way you play because you have a premium hand as opposed to a good hand as opposed to a stealing hand is a bad idea. Your reraise is the same exact raise as putting him all in, he knows he's playing for all of his chips. I would either shove on the 3-bet or just call his raise preflop and try to get it in on the flop. If he's a likely C-better then I'd just call pf and try to get his stack on the flop after almost all the chips are in the pot.

Edit: Neither was a flame, I don't like minraising unless you are running over the table in late stages of MTTs and are completely in control, and thats just to open up, I pretty much never minraise after that. And posting hands where you get it all in PF with AA and lose are bad beat posts, if you want info on just the PF action edit your original post to stop after all PF action is complete.

Thanks...I really appreciate that advice

-Leo

ooh I thought this was the bad beat thread.

lol, no it was a legitimate question on preflop play....hence why i removed all postflop action. There was initial steam, but I got over it. Im just starting to play as opposed to playing for entertainment like I had in the past, so I am always looking for advice on the parts of my game that I feel are the weakest.

Got a few things of my own, but before I get blasted, I’m coming from a live play perspective, so it might not be the best for this situation. If I was a native of Fort Collins, I wouldn’t reply, but I’m a proud member of The Ohio State Nation, so Mr. Buff fan, keep raping the Ram.

Besides this financial information you gave us, I can extrapolate a few things from your hand history post, you’re in level 11 of the tournament, and that means taking the average hands per hour assumed online, you’ve more than likely have seen at least 75-141 hands (that’s assuming you’re playing at a blazing speed of 45-85 hands per hour).

So now knowing this, I have a few questions, how long have you been at this table, and how many hands have you played in each position (early, middle, late, blinds), but I’m going to assume that you’ve played a modest 1/3 of your hands, and been trying to play small ball poker, and if I’m wrong, just reply to me.

Let’s make a few calculations, you take them however you want, it’s just nice to have them in your thoughts at a time, when trying to get creative in your plays. (Could always add to a potential replies too)

9 handed CPR (Cost Per Round/ Antes + Blinds): 585
Your Stack Size: 6700
Your CSI (Chip Status Index/M): 11.5 (12)
Your Effective M ( M * ((players at table)/9) = 11.5 (12)
Villain’s Stack Size: 6512
Villain’s CSI: 11.1 (11)
Villain’s Effective M ( M * ((players at table)/9) = 11.1 (11)

Knowing this, you’re right at the danger level, in my philosophy because you’re at around 10ish, I figure once you committed to the pot and with a premium hand, you face a guy re-raising 1/3 of his stack, he’s committed himself to the pot, and yourself to the pot, and you should just push instead of being fancy and trying to make a creative re-raise in your situation, because honestly could you be able throw away ¾ of the stack you just invested with the re-raise if he just calls, on the flop? And you have the read that he’s got you beat after the flop? If you do that’s great, but most players get married to Aces, and get their hopes destroyed. Plus you’re talking about leaving yourself an m of 3 ¼, and that right there would mean you would need to get lucky in the next 5-10 hands, and then again in 10-15 hands to hope to be back to what the tournament average is progressing towards, and an m of around 15-20. So why get cute with a re-raise? Why not just accept your fate is up in the air as the Germans were in the Battle of Stalingrad (big time favorite goes down). Also since I’m back in this God awful state, any suggestions for finding places to play, that spread a game higher than 2-5 limit (damn colorado gambling laws) up in blackhawk.

Convert the HH
dont show us what he had
dont min raise
we dont care about bad beats

and yes this is a bad beat post. You would not have posted this had you won.

I agree with both of these.
I swear Eddie only posts in tourney strat to tell someone to GTFO etc
w/e
U got your money in with your opponent drawin to 2 outs.
In poker this is what we call a good situation.

i mainly just read the strat forums, will post from time to time

and i heart you too

to elaborate on the dont min-raise point, you already mentioned that you regulary made a standard raise and everyone folded. One of the keys of this game is to play excat opposite situations the same way.

If you consistently do this people will pick up on it and youll never get action

I hate getting it all-in preflop with AA. You are only what? 80% to win? See a flop and get it all-in when you 90% or better. Goddamn donks and their overplaying of AA. Learn the game!

You got all your chips in as a Favorite. What more do you want?

nh

First time in life I've agreed with this kid.

OP, you've been here way long enough to know that this **** doesn't fly.

Bad beat = Bad play.
Unless you get sucked out.
So shhhh.

You got all-in preflop with AA, which is clearly a stupid thing to do. Fold preflop instead, that way you can't get a bad beat.

What a terrible question. Im sick of people taking a bad beat then coming on
here looking for reassurance. He had JJ and was going to get it all in preflop
and so were you. Wow I have never seen an over pair lose before.