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AKProdigy
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1490)
Button (t1470)
Hero (t1480)
BB (t1680)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1380)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q icon_suit_heart.gif , A icon_suit_spade.gif .
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, MP3 calls t20, 2 folds, Hero raises to t100, 1 fold, UTG calls t80, MP1 folds, MP3 calls t80.

Flop: (t340) K icon_suit_spade.gif , 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif , A icon_suit_diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t180, UTG folds, MP3 raises to t780, Hero ?

No reads.


Edit: Non-rainbow board. Ignore topic title.
litlebullet
I shove and run into a set of 4's. I can't think of anything else to do.
timwakefield
I totally hate the preflop raise. I wouldn't raise AQo or AQs there out of the SB behind like 94 limpers, and I would almost always limp with AK as well. If you raise you're either gonna just buy the blinds (which at this level isn't great, and also isn't likely), or you're gonna get 1 or 6 callers, and then you're playing a big pot OOP against the whole table as the aggressor with a very non-dominating hand.


As played, go broke on that flop basically every time there in a STT.
litlebullet
i don't raise aq here either. usually i raise ak but only to 80.
Edit: no you can't raise anything but aces, kings, or queens from the sb, imo. It's too hard to play first vs the whole table.
AKProdigy
I'm always at odds of what to do with A + high kicker with multiple people limping in. Anything lower than AT I usually fold. 22 to TT i usually call and play for set value. JJ+ I usually raise. AJ - AK im not sure what I should do. If an ace hits postflop, do i play ultra aggressive with the risk of running into two pair on a board of say A 9 3? Because I might easily be up against an ace + lower kicker. I raise mainly to weed out people so it makes my decisions easier post flop but I admittedly don't think that's a good reason.
litlebullet
i might be too nitty and it may be a slight leak but i fold aj in levels 1-3 and maybe raise aq from the hijack and plus. I'm folding all smaller aces. I do run my aq or ak into two pair though and call down. I don't go broke with a pair of aces unless its ak. Sometimes I almost want to just sit out until the bubble hits lol.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Saturday, July 21st, 2007, 2:34 AM) *
I would almost always limp with AK as well.

QUOTE (litlebullet @ Saturday, July 21st, 2007, 2:36 AM) *
i don't raise aq here either. usually i raise ak but only to 80.
Edit: no you can't raise anything but aces, kings, or queens from the sb, imo. It's too hard to play first vs the whole table.

I respectfully disagree. I raise AK 100% of the time from the SB in an unraised pot, and AQ almost every time. Also, a raise to $80 is nowhere near enough, and all you would be doing is bloating a multiway pot and creating a lot of reverse implied odds.

Preflop I'd pop it to $150 here. That should be enough to take the pot more often than not. You're only in trouble if UTG is limping QQ+ or AK, and that's unlikely. I doubt anyone behind him is limping with those hands.

As played, I like the flop bet size, and shove after he raises.
jmbreslin
I like simo's reasoning on this. AQ can be a toughie against several opponents, so if you're going to raise it against 3 limpers raise it big.

His raise looks too big to be the set. Other than the flush draw, against which he is still a 2-1 fav, that flop is perfect for someone who flopped a set of 4's. That raise is almost double the pot at that point. It looks more like he's trying to instill fear in you and hoping to take down the pot. Gotta be a worse Ace or perhaps KQ, KJ. Basically, you're getting 2-1 pot odds at this point and I'd say you're probably much better than 2-1 against here.
HijackedAffairs
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Saturday, July 21st, 2007, 3:01 AM) *
I respectfully disagree. I raise AK 100% of the time from the SB in an unraised pot, and AQ almost every time. Also, a raise to $80 is nowhere near enough, and all you would be doing is bloating a multiway pot and creating a lot of reverse implied odds.

Preflop I'd pop it to $150 here. That should be enough to take the pot more often than not. You're only in trouble if UTG is limping QQ+ or AK, and that's unlikely. I doubt anyone behind him is limping with those hands.

As played, I like the flop bet size, and shove after he raises.

I play it the same way. Too much value in hands you have dominated deciding to see a flop getting nowhere near the odds.
throwemaway
My general rule early in low level sngs for raising after a bunch of limpers is 4x plus 1 bb for every limper..So if 2 people limp, and I have AK in the sb, I would pop it to 120...I sometimes add in another BB if I am OOP..

Most of the time I do raise AQ in the SB, but it partly depends on how the table has been playing..If raises have been called by a bunch of people, I would just limp here and not bloat the pot
Zach6668
Raise preflop if you like money. But raise more than you did.

I think his raise is too big to be a set. I think he's got AT or something.
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