does this seem standard?
Hero 250 - Has solid image, card dead, so hasnt played too many pots. Trying to apear a bit lag, but so cardead
villain 400 - About 45 years old, no real poker experience. understands how to play, but thats all.


hero limps from MP with Js,9s
villain limps from button

6 players

pot 12


flop 7h,10h,kc

check,check,check, hero check, check, villain bet 10

1 call, hero call. folds

3 players


pot 42

turn Qs

check, hero check, villain bet 20. 1 fold. hero raise 60.

thoughts comments?


RESULTS in white

he snap called with a low FD. no pair.

I would personally raise that up pf, but limping is no big deal. I'd be hesitant to call on that flop, even with position. You're drawing to 4 outs (the Qh probably shouldn't count as a whole out) and when you hit, you'd have to make a little over $120 for this to be a profitable play in the long run. Turn seems standard to me though. I haven't looked at results, but if you ran into AJ, that's a cooler.

i atcually wrote in that i raised J,9s earlier. but i figured it was pointless.

FYI, i have 8 outs.

Oh yeah. Tricky double belly busters! That's why we love them, right? Nice hand.

I think he means you have 6 outs for the straight and 2 outs that give you a straight but complete the flush.

Edit: nvm he made a mistake, anyway, this hand has alot of Negative implied odds associated with it, you have only 3 outs to the nuts, your other 5 outs can give you a good second best hand. On turn I've been given the advice to raise bigger myself in similar situations so, raise bigger, 70-80.

negative implied odds?

I cant say that i've ever heard of that. Are you confusing this with reverse implied odds? which stil doesnt make sense.

I'm not drawing to the nuts here. I'm drawing to a hand that i think will have his beat. and could potentially give me good "implied odds".

Like i said, this guy knew how to play No limit texas holdem, but didnt mean he was very good. I was pretty certain i could stack him on any set, 2 pair

It was a limped pot, so difficult to put him on a narrow range at this point. He hasnt done anything all game to tell me that he's a bully. He's only played his hands for what they have been.

he bet the pot on the flop, than half the pot on the turn. KQ,KJ K,10, 7,7 10,7s K,7s. all playable to him from his position in a limped pot.

I like it as played... I would probably play it the same way most of the time. What's your plan for the river if the board pairs or completes the flush against this villain?

Yeah reverse implied odds, This is why you shouldn't post from work. Do you think he would've called a bigger bet on the turn?

edit: and yeah whats the plan for the river?

obviously i'm praying for a brick, if the river doesnt pair, or bring a flush, I'll lead out 80-100 as a value bet. He snap called my turn so it sent shivers down my spine. He must have a big draw still, or 2 pair/set

the river brought the Qh. which is pretty much the worst card possible. paired the board and brought the flush. I have to take it for what it is and check.

I dont think i can really make a bet OOP when that 1 card comes.

results, were i checked, and he checked and turned over a 8 high flush. which gave me a lot more info on this guy. he tried to value bet his small FD to the max and then checked behind when it hit because of the paired board.

You should make a note about his "snap call" and use that against him in the future. I play live $1/2 very often and there are 3 or 4 players who always chase their flush draws almost no matter the price. When I do checkraise against one of their likely FD's it's almost always bigger than normal (IE in your case, I'd checkraise to $80 or $90) and still get a call.