i think that everybody should try it at least once.

lol search salvia trips on you tube you wont regret it

The world is streetcaring like a tank tracks and the walls are streetcaring.

Yes, the funny meter is high, so to speak.

Sounds like synesthesia.

Nah that is it is some of the strongest stuff; it is the peple who are taking it that are not following it. I once had a trip on it that all the children in the local school were cattle being slaughtered then I was slain by a large letter X that fell from the sky, Also many sexual visions as in a woman was a house and here mouth the electric socket also that I became smoke and flew up the chimeny. These weren't bad but you had to accept the energy and find the good of it( the shock killed me) but LSD is much easier to do.

You are a babbling fucking moron.

/end.

So theres a drug that temporarily turns you into a retard? Sounds fun.......

seriously why would anyone want to do this type of shlt? I'm not judging anyone that likes this type of stuff, I'm just curious as to why anyone would want to do it? It seems horrible and not fun at all. Seriously though, just wondering.





lol I just spent the past hour watching the videos, they for sure are funny to watch but its sad that people look forward to tripping for 5 minutes turning into a mental retard and then not remembering it after its over...I guess I just don't get it. I dont see how this could be any fun...

Finally a thread I have decent knowledge to contribute to...( A bit sad that it's a thread on LSD, and other hallucinogenic drugs... but whatever)

So here I go:

First, I think that LSD is something quite special, and a completely misunderstood chemical/drug by the majority of the world's population. Obviously there are scientists and experts that are aware of it's benefits (Leary, Burrows, Hoffmann himself etc...) but people sim-ply associate it with something that makes you crazy.

I have taken most sorts of LSD; paper, liquid, micro-dots etc, and I believe that most people should try it at least once in their lifetime. Of course, I think that people should know what they are taking, why they are taking it and make sure to prepare the trip to avoid any stress and potential bad-trips. I firmly believe that LSD makes you see and understand things that our minds would simply not have understood or "seen" it without the drug. LSD has some sort of effect on your brain where we can process more information, and access areas of our brain which we would not normally be able to.

I find it extremely hypocritical that a majority of drugs that are LEGAL, and approved by the FDA or EMEA (european equivalent) can cause a lot more harm to people than LSD. This is probably true regarding most drugs anyways, and should not be news for people who take drugs.

I have had life-changing experiences on LSD, and a few of the most memorable days in my life have been under its influence. I have had bad-trips before, and I am aware of it's negatie effects, and potentially overwhelming experience for some people. However, I believe that under the right conditions, it can only be a positive experience to a majority of people.

A few positive aspects of LSD compared to other drugs are:

It is one of the least, if not least addictive drugs known to man. The whole dynamics of an LSD trip make you NOT want to take it more for a while since it is a "trip" and many times wears you down, often needing a day or two to come back to "reality".

It is impossible to overdose. Even though the quantities necessary to affect an adult are measured in micrograms, taking a huge quantity does not kill, it simply makes the trip more intense and longer lasting.

Pure LSD has no side effects, and it does not damage your body like most drugs. e.g. Smoking/lungs, Alcohol/liver...

In summary, taking LSD under the right conditions is IMHO only beneficial to people and many times an eye-opening experience. I could of course be wrong, but I speak from personal experience, as well as seeing its effects first hand on friends.


Salvia Divinorum:

A few words to remain on topic. I tried Salvia 3 times in my life, twice I have had very mild effects, while once I had an intense experience. I also saw one of my friends have the most intense trip of his life after taking it, despite alot of experience taking psychedelic drugs. The problem I see with Salvia is that it's a very intense trip, but also very quick with little time to "appreciate" what you are feeling. For a short intense trip, I would recommend DMT seeing as even though the effects don't last very long, it seems incredibly longer.

I got a bit carried away here...

My probably more than 0.02 cents

Seriously, if you haven't bothered listening at all to what we were saying about the positive aspects of taking hallucinogenics (and doing it right) then you should just stay out of it. And judging by this first sentence, you've completely ignored everything but what you wanted to hear.



When native americans trip they do it to gain insight into their lives and the universe...not to giggle uncontrollably for a set amount of time. That's what most of us here are talking about.

Though spending part of a trip finding everything hilarious is pretty fun too.

I don't think I have the right mindset for it so I have never tried it. I've seen people go on some seriously messed up trips. Nothing like seeing guys running around behind a Taco Bell screaming about little black goblins trying to kill them.

I can assure you it's quite fun

and actually have you ever seen a retard unhappy?

life is hard - lsd makes you feel like you've accomplished something just walking across the room - plus it makes music rule!

i dont think prtp is dissing lsd, i think hes just talking about salvia, in which case i agree with him.

oops i didn't read the whole thread sorry

"It makes you behave like the village drunkard in some early Irish novel. Total loss of all basic motor function. Blurred vision, no balance, numb tongue. The mind recoils in horror, unable to communicate with the spinal column. Which is interesting because you can actually watch yourself behaving in this terrible way, but you can't control it."

"there is nothing more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge."

FOUL!

You're not allowed to use Thompson's quotes out of context as if they're some anti-drug message. Do you even realize who Thompson was with regards to drugs?

in regards to ppsux's post, if you're retarded before you take drugs then you'll certainly be extra retarded after.

I was talking about salvia, idiot....theres not much info on it and it looks stupid considering the dudes in the video seem to not remember what happened while they were tripping....if its like saying you had a good time the night you got blackout drunk, its pointless.

And yes I have seen a lot of unhappy retarded people....

People still call other people idiots? Really?

There's plenty of info on salvia. Some of it is in the posts, some of it can be found by clicking on the links to salvia articles and informational pages. But instead of reading those comments or following those links, you just watched some youtube videos that are obviously posted by moronic teenagers. So I think you're the idiot here, idiot.

BUNCH OF FIGHT PICKERS

there used to be such an enjoyable atmosphere of sharing and understanding in here, then some poker superstar has to come and make everything bitter. Thats what happens when people who don't 'get' OT come to OT.

fold pre flop next time

kthnksbye

I actually watched plenty of videos,....I'm not interested in trying it though so I dont really care about the facts in whatever article was posted. I posted a question out of simple curiosity hoping someone could explain it to me.... if people don't remember the trip, how's it fun and/or worth doing the drug? From what I understand people remember what happens during an lsd or shroom trip, so I can see how that might be appealing, but the videos show people not remembering anything that happened during the salvia trip. Thats all I was wondering. Idiot.

lol I was posting OT like every day back when I was playing online all the time, I 'get' it, ....and I still read it all the time just never post....

Would you say that you are officially (haha) drunk right now?

yeah you're right, you remember lsd and musroom trips, well for the most part. time seems to go a whole lot faster, but you remember what you did. as for the other stuff, I have no idea cause I've never done it, and never will. to me its on the same level as doing whip its, or nitrous, whatever you want to call it. always just seemed to short and silly to me. and I've done plenty, plenty of drugs. oh, and the end? I loved that by the way.

If I wanted to try anything, I'd want to try that drug Joe Rogan talks about, DMT.

I had a friend that tried salvia while at my condo about a year ago, my roomate had some and some of my friends were over and we were taking bong rips and all were ridiculously high. None of us really knew anything about salvia. So my roomate took packed a little of it in the bong and did'nt feel anything, so he packed A LOT of it in the bong and took a massive hit. A few seconds later he sat back and was'nt moving and his eyes were kind of shuttering. Granted this should have worried me but because I was so ripped I just laughed at him and thought he was messing around, a few seconds later he started coming too and said dude I feel really weird. So I just kept ****ing with him and trying to freak him out more which was really a dick move.

Anyways later on he said he was really really freaked out because he could'nt move and felt like he was watching a movie of himself and it freaked him out. Overall he said it would have been ok if he knew what was coming but because none of us knew he was scared shtless. This guy had done just about any drug you can name but said the salvia freaked him out a lot.


About LSD I would really be careful with it as clinically it has been shown to induce life long flash backs in certain people and can be induced with just using once.

that sounds very similar to special k, which I've done once, and only once. it was just like your body stops wanting to work. you can't walk correctly, everything looks really far away and really close at the same time (yeah, it was confusing then too), and basically everything seemed really heavy. I did not enjoy.

Actually the data on flashbacks are very sketchy, and many of the early studies on this have been discredited. The DSM does have a diagnosis of "hallucinogen persisting perceptual disorder" but it is almost never used and the symptoms do not match what most people think of as a "flashback". If it is real it is extremely rare. Of course, the experience can be so intense that later sensory experiences will easily remind you or bring back the sense memory of the experience.

I also noticed the strychnine myth rearing its head in this thread. Good article from erowid debunking that one.

An unfortunate consequence of all the years of propaganda I think that its hard for people to tell what's really true about these things.

I agree that one should be careful with LSD, but the dangers are really psychological and not physical. The greatest danger, in my opinion, is that if you approach it with the wrong mindset you might not get all that is has to offer.

Ozzy is enough of a warning sign for me. I would'nt do ecstasy either though, as it screws with your brain chemistry and that is never a good thing unless you really need it IMO.

All psychoactive drugs affect your brain chemistry, that's how they have their effects. Ecstasy does appear to damage serotonin neurons or at least reduce serotonin production over time in people who use it frequently, which is bad. It's one of the few drugs that do this, although again with this initial reports were overblown (one study found that a single dose killed off a whole set of neurons in a monkey; it was later retracted when they found out they were using the wrong vial).

Im basing this on research I have seen and just generally talking to a lot of friends that have taken it. When you are working with down or up regulating different nuero receptors in the brain you are always going to have side effects when you come off the drug. Also in terms of ecstasy and other social drugs every batch is different so it can be very difficult to study, you don't know what chemistry dropout is making what your taking so there is always a risk involved.

My friend that's smoked salvia a few times remembered every part of the trip. He also had extremely vivid dreams for the next few days that he remembered much more clearly than is typical for him.

I really think that this, as with most serious drugs, is in large part dependant on the user and his/her state of mind. If you go into the experience not knowing what to expect, it'll freak you out. If you're trying to just get fucked up, I'm sure that will happen (hence the ridiculous videos online). If you're looking for something a bit deeper, from what I understand it's very possible to achieve that state as well.

The out of body experience is very common.

Shrooms

lol that looks awesome

wow that movie looks insane and scary !!!!

I took some with some friends on our senior High School trip to Disneyworld. It kicked in during the Tower of Terror ride. When we got back to the motel I continuously felt like I was falling through the floor at all times. The teachers thought I had heatstroke and made me sleep outside the motel room on some lounge chairs. At some point during the night I thought I saw my buddy being attacked by some assailants, I went after them and ended up in the swimming pool. I got in trouble.

not a big fan of horror movies b/c most of them are really stupid....this one looks good though...

I've taken Acid once and I liked it alot. I think it's been said but it really makes you look at life alot different and makes it seem more clear, like you have found the meaning. I plan on taking it again and the only problem I had with it was my jaw hurt afterwords from clenching my teeth. I had a little trouble coming down because I was kinda tired by the end so I tried to fight it but nothing that bad.

My one trip was pretty much just like this, but with more swearing. And supermodels.

Wow, it just took me an hour to read every post in this entire thread, and my time was not wasted. I have no direct or indirect experience with mushrooms or LSD, but I do have some direct experience with other drugs. I have friends who have tried mushrooms and highly recommend it. After reading this, I'm pretty sure....well let's just say some new experiences may be in order soon.

Figured I would add my 2 cents to this thread. I have tried just about every drug under the sun at some point with the exception of some the new ones in vogue like GHB which sounds unpleasant. I have not done any drugs in about 12 years, not for puritanical reasons or bad experiences, it's just not where I'm at in my life anymore. Might as well list them: marijuana, hashish, shrooms, acid (liquid&paper), cocaine (and crack once by accident), heroin, mesquline, peyote, pure mdma and "ecstasy", special K, meth, opium, various pharmaceuticals, and probably a bunch of others. Most of these were only tried once or twice but the hallucinogens were done many many times. Since this is a thread about those, I will add some personal experiences with them. Feel free to ask me about any of the others I have taken these and studied a bit about all of them. I would never tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do that is up to you to make your own informed decisions.

Pscillocybin aka shrooms: Usually the best way to introduce one's self to "tripping" However there are some very intense mushrooms out there but very rare. Typically they induced in me a slight euphoria with mild visual and audible hallucinations lasting 4-6 hours. Not things appearing that aren't there but some morphing of shapes and colors, trails etc. However I had a batch that were truly insane, so intense that I didn't have a full grasp on where I was the whole time or what was going on around me. These ones did produce true abstract hallucinations of things that didn't exist. This was way too intense for me and was the last time I did them. However I probably did them 50 or 60 times before we got a hold of this batch, so shrooms this intense are extremely rare.

LSD/acid: I reiterate what was said above about being in the right mind set for taking acid, LSD is a very powerful drug. Most tabs (paper or blotter acid) will produce visual trails, light morphing, and audio hallucinations. LSD will heighten whatever emotions you are feeling and cause your mind to really work inside itself analyzing things. A bad vibe can resonate and intensify until it can take over your psyche and cause a "bad trip". For the most part you will not have the typical 60's film type swirling colors hippy trip. However LSD is a tricky chemical and is tough to make right. Their are various isotopes (i think thats the right term) for types of lsd with LSD-25 being the Timothy Leary/Electric Kool-aid prime version. Most people making acid miss this true LSD-25 and only come close. I have however taken liquid acid made by a PHD chemist from Cornell and let me say Holy Shit!!! We got a vial of this stuff and it was like the first 200 times I tripped were like taking wine coolers and this was grain alcohol. Really good liquid is the movie type trip that you've seen. First off it was truly euphoric, the moment it hits your tongue your body feels like air and you don't have a care in the world. Visually it was very intense, things popping up that weren't there, hillsides turning into fractals and floating into the sky, shelves rearranging themselves, etc. This stuff was everything I had heard or read about acid. It made me realize how this stuff might have inspired a generation. I dropped acid maybe once after this and realized it had no point anymore I had seen what I was looking for and I was done with it. From ages 17-20 I did acid hundreds of times. I only had a few negative experiences and those were always the result of me not being in the right state of mind to handle the experience. I also have seen a couple of people fracture their brains due to taking acid while being in a very unstable state of mind. One of these people was never the same after a really bad trip and sadly I was there to witness it and the aftermath. I hope that years later he is better but it definitely broke him as a person for years afterwards.

Mesqueline: I only did mesq a few times. And only two of those times was the stuff any good. Very intense, very visual. This stuff is not a toy, only the strong minded and well experienced should apply. Good mesqueline can last 12-18 hours which is a long time for a trip. I'll say it was worth it and I enjoyed it but there is something disheartening about going to sleep after tripping for 10 hours and waking up still whacked out of your gourd. I also found that it came back a bit for a few days when I got stoned. Apparently there is "real" mesq made from peyote and synthetic mesq that is who knows what.

Peyote: Let's just say once was enough. Taking peyote was the only time I lost large chunks of time, had moments of complete hallucination where my perceived surroundings had little or nothing to do with my actual surroundings, and where I had fear of not coming down. You eat these little buttons and wait an hour to vomit, apparently not vomiting is a bad thing as they are really bad for the digestive system. Then you trip your head off for 15-24 hours with another 36 hours of being slightly stoned. I understand why the natives that used these considered them a truly sacred and rare religious substance.

Ok this post is really long. But it was fun to remember some of the experiences I've had and write them down. With all the drugs I've done I can happily say I've never been an addict. The only possible exception being a prolonged psychological dependency on marijuana, but this wasn't all that hard to stop when the time came. I also believe I have no lasting medical/psychological effects from any of these but I guess only time will tell. So if you have any curiosity about a drug ask me I probably did it.

try watching this video on your trip. http://youtube.com/watch?v=sZjpWs1h7pU I have nothing else to add

So uhhhh...did you try it?

(if this has been resolved, my apologies, but I ended up in this thread again looking for my trip report and wanted to know how it ends - I don't see anything relevant on the last page)

have you seen his sister-in-law? i think the answer is clear.

Wow, I totally love all of you. All I have to say about acid is "hell, yeah!" Did it about 25 times in college. What happened? In all honesty, it made me happier, wiser, smarter, and funnier. First up, I love the visuals. My favorite part -- trails coming off your hands, swirling colors, breathing walls, etc. All beautiful and cosmic and happy. Basically (for the OP who hasn't tried it), boundaries go away. There are no edges to anything -- it all shimmers and breathes and slides into each other, in a most lovely way.

I did my acid in the early '90s, so I never got the really heavy effects some of you are talking about. But good enough for me. Then there's the hilarity. Yes, everything is funny and brilliant. Forget TV, though: the absolute best thing you can do tripping is read Dr. Seuss books.

Me, looking at a really bright illustration on the next page: "Whoa, I can see right through the page!" [Which is pretty normal, but at the time it seemed like a magical ability.]

... pause ... "Duuude, I can see through ALL the pages!" ... pause ... "No, wait, I can't." Cue minutes of laughter.

We never really "went" anywhere. The campus was a safe environment, and we could walk down to Sarasota Bay and sit looking at the water and the lights twinkling on the keys in the distance. Halogen lights in Florida have this weird way of sharply outlining every leaf of a tree or every needle on a pine, and the bayfront had both halogen lights and trees. We usually wound up sitting in a tree for a long time.

You do tend to see really genuinely weird things when you're tripping, or maybe that's just me because I went to a massive trip school. During a party, we were leaning out an upstairs window looking down, when out of the downstairs window (the kitchen) a full wheel of cheese came flying out. One of us said, "I guess it wanted to be free." My boyfriend thought it was missing its other cheese friends, though, so we went outside, picked it up, and threw it back in the window.

But the nicest part is the perspective. I had a really bad childhood -- I was sexually abused, my mother (who had a lot of problems of her own) told us kids that she never wanted us, and when my parents divorced she proved that by leaving me with my dad and never even asking for visitation, much less custody. My dad then raised me as a single parent, brilliantly well and lovingly, but he died when I was 19. I was pretty traumatized by all that when I reached college. The first time I tripped I was lying on the grass behind College Hall, listening to the water in the bay lapping and looking up at the sky, and thinking about my problems. [It might generally be a good idea to stay happy, but it can also be helpful to turn a few big things over in your mind.] I thought about people with no problems, and I thought about people in the Third World, who bury babies who died of starvation and struggle every day just for food and maybe shelter from raging civil wars. I realized that all my problems were pretty much exactly the right size. I wasn't the luckiest person in the world, but I wasn't the unluckiest, either. I was middle-class, smart, and getting educated, which was all pretty damn good. I have never lost that sense of perspective, and I am grateful as hell to acid for giving it to me, because it might have taken years of therapy to get it, and then I might never have "gotten" it in the bone-deep way I did on acid.

It made me smarter and funnier in that my brain now seems to make connections between things quicker than most people and also more "randomly" than most people -- that is, I see connections between things most people don't. But when I explain it, they see the connection and think I'm brilliant for coming up with it. Acid played a role in giving me a more flexible mind in that sense.

Shrooms never did much for me. Light high, very light visuals, not much else. Pleasant but not outstanding. I went to college with the guy who is now the leading researcher on ecstasy (MDMA) in the US. X was big on our campus probably long before it was elsewhere. I followed him by a few years, though, and never did it myself. Saw a lot of people doing it, though. I may be a bit of a hippie, but damn, I've always been too cynical to be so lovey-dovey as X makes you. "Oh, "southern buddhist," I just loooooove you. You're sooooooo cool." Gag me and get me the hell out of there.

I could never eat on acid: I always felt like I had a beautiful pure white light glowing inside me, and if I ate I would get it dirty. I could drink, but only soda or water, because alcohol would dirty it, too. Skittles were cool, though, because they were a rainbow. If you could eat a rainbow, well, that wouldn't dirty up your shining white light, right? Skittles and Coke: good tripping diet.

Went to Disney once (on just a quarter or half hit) and a Renaissance Faire once on half a hit. At the Geek Faire, I climbed a tree with a friend and had the following conversation, watching the Ren queers in costume wander past below, gnawing on their giant turkey legs:

Me: Did you ever think that people were put here just to entertain you, and that when they go out of your field of vision, they just disappear forever?
Friend: I think that way all the time.

So, acid: yes, do it, with close friends, and stay in a safe environment where you won't mess with cops or get harmed by not paying attention to your surroundings.

Timeline: Hour 1 -- nothing much. Hours 2-8: going up; visuals and hilarity all around. Hours 8-10: peaking. Everything seems to happen in slow motion and you're usually just chilling with friends. Talk turns to the deep stuff, and everybody and everything is wise and wonderful and there's a great big beautiful cosmic joke that you're in on. Hours 10-12: coming down. Can get sad, but you're also pretty tired. Perfect time to listen to mellow music to stay happy. BTW, listen to Talking Heads' _I Get Wild / Wild Gravity_. It's a song about tripping that describes it perfectly and is great to listen to while you're tripping. Talking Heads / B-52s make great, happy, mellow trip music.

Damn, I miss it. But, to quote the obscure band The Pursuit of Happiness:

Can't take any more illicit drugs
Can't afford any artifical joy
I'd sure look like a fool dead in a ditch somewhere
With a mind full of chemicals like some cheese-eating high school boy

Cause I'm an adult now.

DN should be reading this, and doing it. Why pray to Jesus when you can see him and hang out with him yourself? He's cool with tripping, by the way -- he told my boyfriend so once. He was sitting in a tree and James started up a chat with him. Nice guy, that Jesus.

I had a good laugh at this...it really does seem like strange things happen while tripping. Obviously it's just our perspective that changes, but it can still lead to hilarious moments. You know that you're having a good time when everyone looks at each other, one person says, "Did that just happen?", and everyone bursts out laughing uncontrollably for a few minutes.

I have done mushrooms 3 or 4 times but the first time was by far the best. Usually I like to wait a couple months in between doing them as you go through quite a bit. I highly recommend anyone wanting to experiment to do so, you wont regret it ( just make sure you're in a comfortable environment and try not to be nervous about it, just enjoy the experience)

I've done LSD 3 times now, once in Canada and twice here in Brazil. In Canada I took 1 piece with 2 of my friends and it was an okay time, I really enjoyed mushrooms more. In Brazil I took 1/3 of a piece before entering a rave on Christmas Eve, I blackedout for 5 seconds about 40 minutes after I took it, and then didn't really enjoy myself after that. The high was 5x more potent than the Canadian stuff and I took much less.

I think the biggest key to hallucinogenics is to just try and stay in control and not worry about coming out of it, because you wont focus on the positive aspects of the trip.




Have you tried DMT? Anything is appreciated.

My brother has done it 4 or 5 times and describes it as being strapped down to the front of the starship enterprise high on shrooms and acid going warp speed.

YES!!!

That is THE quintessential trip moment right there. You nailed it!

Everyone should try lsd/shrooms at least once in their lives. You'll have a life changing experience. Well maybe not life changing but it'll be quite an experience.

I've done lsd and shrooms several times and each has been unique and rewarding. I've only had one really bad trip and that was when I took about 6g of shrooms. At one point I couldn't even recognize my friends' faces or my own house so I started thinking that a bunch of strangers kidnapped me. I became so paranoid and scared that I almost ended up fighting one of my friends when he tried to calm me down. And for some reason my hands and my arms didn't seem like they were mine so when I crossed my arms I thought someone was grabbing me from behind. Every time this happened I'd jump around and yell out, "Get the hell off of me," which made my friends crack up laughing. This made it worse because I thought they were laughing at kidnapping me or something. So remember, always in moderation.

QFT
Turn off your cell phone and have over 24 hours free time.

Make sure no assholes can arrive unexpected.

I reccommend a hoody. Its like a safety blanket when you can put your hood up