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jburn812
I think i missed one raise on the river here.... I really wasn't sure if my low was good i was kinda positive my high was good... I didn't want to three bet and lose the only guy giving me money if we are splitting on the later stages... I should have raised river i know but is there something flawed in the rest of the hand?

PokerStars Game #10873613899: HORSE (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit, $1/$2) - 2007/07/10 - 20:02:26 (ET)
Table 'Echemmon II' 8-max
Seat 1: The4thHanson ($30.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Plyzhne ($31.40 in chips)
Seat 3: PLO_OLP ($34.65 in chips)
Seat 5: golgoth23 ($64.90 in chips)
Seat 6: jayluf ($36.05 in chips)
Seat 7: JohnnyHoo ($26.35 in chips)
Seat 8: jburn812 ($144.75 in chips)
Plyzhne: posts the ante $0.10
PLO_OLP: posts the ante $0.10
golgoth23: posts the ante $0.10
jayluf: posts the ante $0.10
JohnnyHoo: posts the ante $0.10
jburn812: posts the ante $0.10
The4thHanson: posts the ante $0.10
*** 3rd STREET ***????Ah]
Dealt to The4thHanson [Ah]
Dealt to Plyzhne [7c]
Dealt to PLO_OLP [Th]
Dealt to golgoth23 [4h]
Dealt to jayluf [7d]
Dealt to JohnnyHoo [Kc]
Dealt to jburn812 [7h 4c 5c]
golgoth23: bets $1
jayluf: folds
JohnnyHoo: folds
jburn812: calls $1
The4thHanson: raises $1 to $2
Plyzhne: folds
PLO_OLP: folds
golgoth23: calls $1
jburn812: calls $1
*** 4th STREET ***9s]
Dealt to The4thHanson [Ah] [9s]
Dealt to golgoth23 [4h] [3d]
Dealt to jburn812 [7h 4c 5c] [6s]
The4thHanson: checks
golgoth23: bets $1
jburn812: calls $1
The4thHanson: calls $1
*** 5th STREET ***4d]
Dealt to The4thHanson [Ah 9s] [4d]
Dealt to golgoth23 [4h 3d] [7s]
Dealt to jburn812 [7h 4c 5c 6s] [9d]
The4thHanson: checks
golgoth23: bets $2
jburn812: calls $2
The4thHanson: raises $2 to $4
golgoth23: calls $2
jburn812: calls $2
*** 6th STREET ***8d]
Dealt to The4thHanson [Ah 9s 4d] [8d]
Dealt to golgoth23 [4h 3d 7s] [As]
Dealt to jburn812 [7h 4c 5c 6s 9d] [3s]
The4thHanson: bets $2
golgoth23: raises $2 to $4
jburn812: calls $4
The4thHanson: calls $2
*** RIVER ***??]
Dealt to jburn812 [7h 4c 5c 6s 9d 3s] [8h]
The4thHanson: checks
golgoth23: bets $2
jburn812: calls $2
The4thHanson: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
golgoth23: shows [Ac 3h 4h 3d 7s As Jc] (HI: two pair, Aces and Threes)
jburn812: shows [7h 4c 5c 6s 9d 3s 8h] (HI: a straight, Five to Nine; LO: 7,6,5,4,3)
The4thHanson: mucks hand
jburn812 collected $19.35 from pot
jburn812 collected $19.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $39.70 | Rake $1
Seat 1: The4thHanson mucked [Jd Ad Ah 9s 4d 8d Tc]
Seat 2: Plyzhne folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: PLO_OLP folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: golgoth23 showed [Ac 3h 4h 3d 7s As Jc] and lost with HI: two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 6: jayluf folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: JohnnyHoo folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jburn812 showed [7h 4c 5c 6s 9d 3s 8h] and won ($38.70) with HI: a straight, Five to Nine; LO: 7,6,5,4,3
Skittles
I'm not a great stud8 player, but I probably raise 4th street. The rest of the hand looks fine. We want Hanson in the pot since we have him close to dead, and raising might shut him out of the pot where it looks like we are playing for half. I really don't know if you want to raise river, I think you are best hoping for the overcall, if you raise river you face the same problem of folding out Hanson since he has to put you on better than AA at this point. You see the guy's board, and you are raising, you obviously don't think you have the low and with 456 on board and playing on 3rd street, it's pretty likely you had a 2,3,8 or 7 in hand and maybe hit a straight or two pair.
ahosang
Raise and cap 4th - you're not here to make friends!
You're here to bloat pots where you have live outs to scoop!!

Don't worry about losing anyone. You'll usually lose brickers, and the size of the pot may entice them to call badly anyway. I love scooping.

And 6th is a raise, since the clowns will call anyway, the tights will fold, and the genuine scoopers/spoilers will need to be charged. You have possible scoop already, and have potential outs against a better made low(2 or Ace).

FPS is for break-even players in stud8. Ramming and jamming when you have good scoop hands is for winners...
Skittles
QUOTE (ahosang @ Tuesday, July 10th, 2007, 5:04 PM) *
Raise and cap 4th - you're not here to make friends!
You're here to bloat pots where you have live outs to scoop!!

Don't worry about losing anyone. You'll usually lose brickers, and the size of the pot may entice them to call badly anyway. I love scooping.

And 6th is a raise, since the clowns will call anyway, the tights will fold, and the genuine scoopers/spoilers will need to be charged. You have possible scoop already, and have potential outs against a better made low(2 or Ace).

FPS is for break-even players in stud8. Ramming and jamming when you have good scoop hands is for winners...


Raising on 6th does seem like a much better idea than I initially thought. We pretty much have a lock for at least half against the other low guy, with the possibility as ahosang mentions of scooping if we catch right even if we're beat right now. It's probably worth more to jam now than to play passively and hope to make 2 extra dollars. As played ahosang, do you raise 7th? What if you did raise 6th, calls all around, and you get led into again on 7th, do you still raise now? These are more basic questions I suppose, but as I said, I don't play much stud8 and am interested in your thoughts.
sabes99
i raise on 3 first in, i don't like limping in first in limit so it's raise or fold for me, and you're not folding a starting hand like that with no one in ahead of you

you have to put every bet you can in on 4, your draw is too big not to start shoveling some money in this pot

even if you just call on 4, you have to make a play on 5 and start putting some meat in this pot, you've got a good hold on either side if you fill either hand

i three-bet on 6 also, and trap the third guy in the middle for what looks like a chop between you and the other guy(without knowing his cards it does, anyway)

i think you played it way too passively overall, and probably could have won a lot more money than you did
yeffy
3rd st. is a pos raise depends on how you have been playing and the game. I play S8 aggro so I def raise this hand.
4th st. CAP CAP CAP

The beauty of the cap on 4th is you have no worries on 6th st. of losing anyone. If you stuff the pot early once you make your hand nobody with a hope is going anywhere due to the size of the pot. SO you get to put in at least 3 bets on 6th and at least one more on 7th. Aces up might even cap 6th and raise on the end counting on a chop. You could have made another 12 big bets on this hand perhaps smile.gif not value you want to give up here.
ahosang
As yeffy and sabes rightly said, 3rd is a spot to raise as well.
But in my pokerstars games, some will fold to the 3-bet, so i want them in if they'll pay later. Also, I don't like to push too hard against an Ace, but maybe I'm wrong there.

As for 7th, it's now close i think. Whether you want the assured $2 from Hanson in the pot, or you can of course raise. In my games, golgoth only leads as he did with a better low, so i don't want to drop hanson, but these idiots you're playing against don't like money, so go ahead and raise against these players.

3rd and 7th were played marginally weakly, but it's 4th and 6th I have major concerns with(way too passive).
ahosang
The more i think about it, I think 7th is a raise really.
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